Comment by addthrowaway75
2 years ago
My friend it is you who should consider being ashamed. Suggesting stimulants as the first line of treatment rather than cardiovascular exercise, good sleep, and a healthier relationship with food is at best dismissive of the body of modern research and at worst introduction of a dangerous 'just pop a pill' crutch. Stimulants are not at all the only way out of the ouroboros of adhd symptoms making today hard and tomorrow too.
I don't disagree that things like this can be exploitative and if it happens even once then I agree with the 'you should be ashamed' thesis statement. You're treating the solution as a very black and white thing in this comment of yours though and the vitriol with which you wrote it left me with the impression that pushback is warranted.
> Suggesting stimulants as the first line of treatment rather than cardiovascular exercise, good sleep, and a healthier relationship with food is at best dismissive of the body of modern research and at worst introduction of a dangerous 'just pop a pill' crutch.
Literally none of this is true. The research overwhelmingly shows that stimulant medication is the most effective treatment for ADHD, and second place isn't even close. Show me a single paper that shows that "good sleep" is a more effective treatment for ADHD than medication and I'll eat my shoe.
ADHD and stimulants are codefined. That doesn't prove anything, it's a circular definition.
The people who got exercise, slept well and kept meaning in their life avoided falling down the hole. They aren't in the study in the first place.
> The people who got exercise, slept well and kept meaning in their life avoided falling down the hole. They aren't in the study in the first place.
The people who kept up with a well planned exercise routine, slept well instead of trying to catch up with work at 2am in a mad rush, and had meaning in their life because they didn't push their friends away with uncontrolled emotional outbursts? Perhaps they aren't in the study because they don't have ADHD?
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> The people who got exercise, slept well and kept meaning in their life avoided falling down the hole. They aren't in the study in the first place.
Horseshit.
I have a sleep tracker and an exercise tracker that tell me I get enough of both and I’ve plenty of meaning in my life. None of those things helped nearly as much as adderall.
My problem with this comment is that the other argument is well demonstrated with a litany of scientific literature - whereas this argument is at best interpretation unprovable.
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This is somewhat offensive.
ADHD meds are suggested as a first line treatment above all of those other things because they are more effective than all those things, like several times as effective, and are well tolerated and inexpensive.
It is that fact which plays into why this treatment is exploitative. You should only ever be trying something like this after exhausting a number of more effective options. This program is marketing itself as for people who AREN'T EVEN DIAGNOSED with ADHD and pretending this is somehow an "evidence-based" approach.
Definitely agree ADHD medication has been proven to be most effective. Thank you for this comment!
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I agree their phrasing could have been better. However in my country it typically takes 1-2 years to get a diagnosis and start treatment. It's even a few months to a year if you go private.
I can see this sort of thing being at least a stop-gap, and something that might help while someone's waiting to get access to the better treatment.
Listen, if you are people reading this with adhd, don't listen to me, don't listen to this guy, don't listen to OP. Find an expert in adhd. Make sure they understand what executive function disorder means. Listen to them. Please don't suffer with this. It's not your fault.
Thanks for this, you're being very evenhanded. Lifestyle changed sustained over time is the way to go, any remaining bad feelings can be taken as signals or just part of life. Pills aren't magic.
Spoken as someone who never had to deal with decades of prolonged abuse for the crime of not having enough dopamine