Comment by joshstrange
3 years ago
> This is pretty normal in marketing demos. For example, in the original iPhone presentation: The engineers identified a “golden path,” a specific set of demo actions that Jobs could perform in a specific order that afforded them the best chance of the phone making it through the presentation without a glitch. For example, Jobs could send an email and then surf the web, but if he reversed the order, the phone tended to crash. https://www.internethistorypodcast.com/2017/01/the-history-o...
And by the launch of the phone that was fixed... I fail to see how that's the same thing.
> And by the launch of the phone that was fixed... I fail to see how that's the same thing.
I mean... they haven't launched Full Self Driving. You can (for money) get a beta that requires you to remain in control of the car and often makes mistakes. But the beta does most of the stuff shown in the video.
> But the beta does most of the stuff shown in the video.
Today, after ~7 more years of development? Can it do them consistently or "80% of the time it works every time"? Because that's the problem, the bar for an autonomous driving system to be useful is high.
Below that bar you either have just a set of driver assists that have no claim at real autonomy, and have existed for (relatively) cheap for years, or you have the the "Goldilocks zone" of dangerous tech, smart enough to coax you into handing over the control but too dumb to be actually capable of taking over.
It's hard for some to see this point of view unfortunately, no matter how you try it. Elon has been intentionally skirting and blurring the line between lying and marketing for a while now.
None of this is relevant to my comment.
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They have launched Full Self Driving - it's being sold to general public, it's being advertised to general public, and it's being used by general public as a product; the legalese fine-print disclaimer about 'beta' doesn't change that.
But not in the sense of the video’s claim, that you do not have to interact with the vehicle. The beta is a driver assist system you must carefully monitor and intervene, the final product is autonomous.
FYI, Tesla does not sell anything called “Full Self Driving.” That people think they do is a product of their [probably intentionally misleading] marketing. Tesla sells “Full Self Driving Capability.”
Just like I have the capability of running a marathon. I just haven’t done it. And I probably won’t…
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They sold FSD as something coming soon. I considered buying a car with it in 2019. Had I bought that car, it would likely have hit the end of its 10 year lifespan before FSD ships. Assuming that Tesla ever ships FSD for a ten year old vehicle.
Not just coming soon. In 2019 Musk claimed it would be financially insane not to buy a Tesla because by 2020 it would become a robo taxi earning you tens of thousands a year.
I have FSD and it is a joke. It is so bad I don’t know where to begin. This software has no place on a public road. All it’s good for is tech demos. They are going to kill people who were fooled into thinking FSD actually works.
An exit from beta has been promised for years. I think this is what most people take issue with.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zhr6fHmCJ6k&feature=shares
If a phone crashes what’s the worst that can happen?
However if a car crashes you can put multiple life’s in danger, isn’t it?