Comment by xdavidliu
2 years ago
Reminds me of what happened when some junior animators attempted to show Hayao Miyazaki their AI-generated zombie animation a few years ago.
2 years ago
Reminds me of what happened when some junior animators attempted to show Hayao Miyazaki their AI-generated zombie animation a few years ago.
"I strongly feel this is an insult to life itself"
Not quite the reaction they were hoping for.
Which is a great answer because there's probably a butt load of angsty mangakas who like nothing more than to depict monsters that invoke a feeling of insult to life itself.
Miyazaki is pretty old school and tends to be against technology for his personal use while working.
It definitely isn't the reaction they were hoping for, but it's also something that I'm not surprised by.
[EDIT] Apologies to Miyazaki, as the poster below me pointed out. I didn't mean to make him sound like his secretary would print emails out for him.
The poster below me is right on the money with Miyazaki creating pieces about technology & nature.
> Miyazaki is pretty old school and tends to be against technology for his personal use while working.
Miyazaki has a half century history of producing one groundbreaking speculative warning piece after another about the intersection of technology with human sin.
You make it sound like the guy wants a secretary to print his email for him.
(But FWIW: he's wrong here, that zombie thing was amazing -- creepy is the whole point, and the fact that the AI was unconstrained by human priors about how to move makes it even better.)
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Of course professional artist would be offended of machines doing what they do. It's natural people get defensive, especially artists.
I for one beg to differ. I define the quality of the art by the emotions it evoques in me, regardless if man or machine made it.
I once got to witness a very talented doctor being pitched the idea that AI can detect things like tumors in medical imaging.
They didn’t use the same words but the emotion was quite similar.
And now we all know AI does a better job than doctors at medical imaging. I wonder how he feels about it now.
“It's difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on not understanding it”
When pitching an AI/tech product, choose the people you pitch to carefully. You’ll probably have a hard time selling to those you want to replace.
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> I define the quality of the art by the emotions it evoques in me
He seems to not like it for that reason. The developers call the movement creepy and he basically says they can do creepy if they want, he doesn't.They also say their model doesn't understand pain and the movements reflect it, which he counters with an anecdote about disabled people he knows and how their muscles strain doing otherwise normal things and how not understanding pain is a problem.
It almost seems like they had no idea who they where trying to impress with their tech demo. I am far from an expert on his works but I don't see "creepy zombie animations" fitting in with any of his works.
It's what people do when you tell them: Look I have an algorithm that can do your job. It's the first thing you learn not to do when working in machine learning. For example I was working in Digital Pathology, no Pathologist will ever believe you when you say an algorithm can (some day) do their job better (maybe there are some exceptions). Even if you show them that they never agree on anything, not even with themselves from last week, they keep believing they are the correct one. It's human I guess.
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Not only was his response incredibly rude, but it was also close minded, short sighted, and frankly quite dumb. Still amusing to watch, though.
I've found it common that older people can often take things on an extremely personal level. It's like at some point they forget the people they're talking to don't know their complete life story, and yet they behave as if others have no life story at all.
Why would you show AI generated horror to someone like Miyazaki? He's the furthest from that genre you could get!