Comment by sidewndr46
3 years ago
Just curious, why would you spend days resolving this? What was the amount of money here?
But yes anyone who has worked with the list of sanctioned persons circulated by the US government understands what a joke this is. Last time I looked Saddam Hussein was still on it, despite being dead for most of my life at this point. I've also been informed by at least one C-level exec that it was vitally important that we prohibit North Korean internet users from using our website.
> Just curious, why would you spend days resolving this? What was the amount of money here?
Is the implication here that the should walk away from being robbed of 170 quid? They're fighting for dignified treatment.
I know this is an example of another problem, but in the US it's easy to see someone actually being killed over attempting to rob someone of $200.
People have strong reactions to unjust treatment, especially when they believe they are dealing with a fair system. (I feel it's different when you know you just have to pay the bribe.)
At some point, taking the company to small claims court is easier.
>Just curious, why would you spend days resolving this?
Monzo couldn't reverse the transfer as the money wasn't in their hands. Wise Transfer customer support is just garbage. I spent 5 hours on a phone until > their side < ended my call during UK working hours. I called again and again, they never answered. I sent them emails, but each email I was getting was from another person who, like I said in another comment, didn't read previous email from Wise, so each time I had to explain the context and the whole situation. When I sent my response in a morning, they responded the next day afternoon.
> What was the amount of money here?
About £170 for the conference ticket.
>But yes anyone who has worked with the list of sanctioned persons circulated by the US government understands what a joke this is.
I already paid for hotel and plane tickets without issues. Best to my knowledge I'm not involved in any terrorist organisation, unless you account working for EU banking infrastructure company as such.
OK, so it was more than the price of a ticket involved. I was thinking you went through all this over 170 quid
You're telling me that if I wanted to make an easy 170 quid all I need to do is scam you. You're not going to fight back.
You don't stand up to a bully just for their initial transgression. You stand up to a bully because if you don't they'll come at you again, even harder, and the world will see that you're soft, that you're a mark.
Gimme your lunch money, kid.
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> despite being dead for most of my life at this point
Hey man there's no need to remind me that I'm old.
> I've also been informed by at least one C-level exec that it was vitally important that we prohibit North Korean internet users from using our website.
What's wrong with that?
The problem is, all you can virtually do is to block North Korean IP space [1], but you're still legally liable if North Korean users, say, use a foreign VPN service to interact with you.
International sanctions laws are pure and utter madness, with extremely high stakes if the government changes its course on selective enforcement, so everyone is "playing it safe" rather than "doing what makes sense and question outright bullshit".
[1] https://www.trendmicro.com/en_us/research/17/j/a-closer-look...
The OFAC isn't going to expect you to bend space and time, but they do expect due diligence.
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I shadowban anyone with the surname 'Kim' on account creation just to be sure.
How would you be able to tell? And what sensitive information could they access? It’s defacto public.
> How would you be able to tell?
There are many ways. The most common are: If the users tell you they're from North Korea, you can tell that they're from North Korea. Also, if they connect from a North Korean IP, you can tell that they're from North Korea.
> And what sensitive information could they access? It’s defacto public.
The request likely had nothing to do with "sensitive information", but instead, sanctions.
> I've also been informed by at least one C-level exec that it was vitally important that we prohibit North Korean internet users from using our website.
that's an order I would break; to do that goes against the principles of the internet.
I suppose I'm not getting hired any time soon.
yea, I'm not 'obedient' enough... I have principles like open internet, shared culture, freedom, and so on.
what's worse, I feel for Korean culture, split in half by AmeriRussian "interactions".
It's not an order, embargo laws exist in every modern country. Doing business in embargoed countries just means prison time and fines. I don't know if you realize this, but almost nobody in NK has internet...
But internet principles say that government intelligence services and e-privateers should have access to every port!
> I feel for Korean culture, split in half by AmeriRussian "interactions".
Germany reunified. Korea might have as well had it not been for North Korea's invasion of South Korea, and China's support of North Korea as a buffer zone.
And why no blame for Japan?
And what "internet principles" are you writing about? Everyone can access everything? This hasn't ever been the case. There have always been access controls.
The word you're looking for is naïve.
WHEN THE LAW IS CORRUPT, TO BREAK IT IS JUSTICE
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North Korea has a LOT of sanctions against them, if you provide them services you could go to prison.