Comment by jeffbee

3 years ago

All car shrink-wrap licenses that I have looked at are similar. That's why I think it is funny when people freak out about Android Automotive. The Android Automotive terms are much, much better for customer privacy.

The EULA for my Honda says that Honda can and will share all available data with itself and third parties, named and unnamed, for any or no reason.

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dybber  3 years ago

How does these EULA’s work if you buy a used car? I suppose manufacturer doesn’t really know if the car has been sold and the new owners haven’t accepted the terms?

  • sandworm101  3 years ago

    Well, how do the shrink-wrapped EULA's work when you sell a computer? What is Microsoft's position on you selling your windows license to a third party? I expect that car manufacturers will eventually take a similar line. But it won't be a big deal for very long. As we will soon all be paying subscriptions to use our cars, license transfers will be balled up into the transfer fees paid when you move your ongoing subscription commitment to the person buying your physical car. The manufacturers will supervise the process.

    • gambiting  3 years ago

      >>What is Microsoft's position on you selling your windows license to a third party?

      It's 100% allowed within the EU, even for OEM licences. There have been multiple court cases about this and microsoft lost every single one. But I guess that's not what you were implying?

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sandworm101  3 years ago

Funny, I looked around and couldn't find an equivalent for Honda motorcycles. Perhaps Honda understands their customers better than we think. Honda seems perfectly willing to build tracking-free products when the customer base cares enough. I have never met any sportbike rider willing to share one iota of ongoing GPS data with anyone.

  • thewataccount  3 years ago

    > https://www.honda.com/privacy/connected-product-privacy-noti...

    ~~~ Their's is a lot better, does still include Geolocation, audio recordings, navigation usage, however the usage looks limited to just Honda and the obviously required services: ~~~

    > We will not use Geolocation Information for our own marketing purposes or disclose identifiable Geolocation Information with third parties (except our service providers) without your consent.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20230512194748/https://www.honda...

    EDIT: I just noticed the following:

    > These companies may use Covered Information for their everyday business purposes, including marketing, customer service, fulfillment and related purposes. These disclosures may qualify as a sale under certain state privacy laws.

    Also their definition of "Service Provider" is way too broad (see below comment). So I might need to retract my statement on their policy being good.

    • JohnFen  3 years ago

      > or disclose identifiable Geolocation Information with third parties (except our service providers) without your consent.

      There's also that little qualifier "identifiable" in there. Companies usually take a very different stance on what constitutes "identifiable" than people think.

      What that's really saying is that they will share the geolocation information with third parties without your consent, but they'll probably do a little handwavy "anonymization" thing on it first.

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  • jeffbee  3 years ago

    Well, the motorcycle community is overstocked with privacy lunatics, preppers, gun nuts and other extremists, so this makes sense. Also I can't think of any Honda motorcycle with a GPS aside from the Gold Wing, which stretches the definition of motorcycle in numerous ways. On the other hand every motorcyclist I ride with carries a Garmin inReach, which is the very definition of sharing your GPS with someone.

    • carom  3 years ago

      I like how you consider people with a reasonable expectation of privacy as extremists.

    • sandworm101  3 years ago

      But the difference with handheld devices is that if Garmin misuses the data, the cheap device is tossed aside. One cannot just abandon a motorcycle as one would a handheld device. The day that Garmin starts handing out speeding tickets is the day that every motorcycle rider smashes their devices.

    • AceyMan  3 years ago

      > privacy lunatics, preppers, gun nuts and other extremists [...]

      Being a prepper isn't extremist. (Yes, it's expensive, done right, but not necessarily extremist.)

      [disclaimer: I live in Los Angeles]

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