Comment by TheCaptain4815

3 years ago

Aren’t VPNs much less useful unless they’re proven no-log VPN?

I remember going down the rabbit hole and people online were skeptical unless the company had a proven FBI raid with no logs taken, haha.

Man, fighting "all or nothing" thinking is a lifelong endeavor.

There are several reasons to have a VPN, and the VPN logging connections is a detriment to some of those.

Reasons include:

* Evading geo-blocking to appear from one country or another

* Evading profiling by websites by laundering your public IP address with others

* Evading privacy invasion by ISPs that most definitely use data for ad/tracking purposes and definitely have logs for law enforcement

* Doing things that could attract interest from law enforcement

The last bullet is the only one affected by logging at the VPN. In this case, the question is which entity do you want to have your traffic? Someone with a reputation for privacy to uphold, or ATT?

Wild guess is most vpn users use that to circumvent geo-blocking of video streaming.

They couldn't care less about logs, they spend their time on instagram, whatsapp, tiktok, discord...

> Aren’t VPNs much less useful unless they’re proven no-log VPN?

That's basically saying that every VPN is "much less useful" as there is no 100% way of proving that it's no-log.

  • There were a few I recall (years ago, can't remember their name) that got raided by the FBI and it showed they had nothing to give the feds.

    • Could be that they got raided and are now under gag-order as FBI installed their own equipment. Or, they used to be no-log but now they aren't, on their own accord. We'll never know.

If no-log is a priority, you need Tor, not a VPN.

  • Depending on where you live - the fact that you use Tor can be used against you.

    • Sure, but then VPN might be just as problematic unless it's a one that's not provided by a known VPN company. My point is that VPN is just a way to proxy your traffic to somewhere else and hide the content (but not its existence!) from your ISP. Anything else shouldn't ever be taken for granted.