Comment by chx
2 years ago
> safeguarding of children against mutilation and sterilisation,
I am so, so tired.
None of that happens.
GnRH analogues are commonly used in gender affirming care, these are reversible.
Surgery is not done on minors.
> the protection of women's single-sex spaces,
Predatory men have absolutely no problems finding opportunities to predate on women. This made up crap need not happen.
You are parroting sound bites on issues you have no understanding of. For the sake of humanity, literally, please stop and start reading. You are on a very dark path.
> Surgery is not done on minors.
Sadly, this is not true. See for example this paper on 'gender-affirming' mastectomies, where the cohort included girls as young as 12 years old: https://journals.lww.com/annalsplasticsurgery/Abstract/2022/...
Also this article from Reuters on rates of 'gender-affirming treatment' in children, from health insurance data, which shows that girls as young as 13 are receiving 'top surgery': https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-tran...
There have been cases of minors getting genital surgery too. For example Susie Green, who used to run the Mermaids charity, is infamous for taking her child to Thailand on his 16th birthday for penis inversion surgery.
> Predatory men have absolutely no problems finding opportunities to predate on women.
Exactly, any male who disregards women's boundaries and imposes himself on a female-only space is exhibiting predatory behaviour by ignoring the lack of consent. Those males who call themselves women are no exception to this.
Trans women are not males who call themselves women, though.
If you insist they are , that's denial of trans existence and that's the road to genocide.
Trans women are not males who call themselves women, though.
If you insist they are , that's denial of trans existence and that's the road to genocide.
Apparently I was wrong on top surgeries. I will be more careful with phrasing then. However, sterilization (aka genital surgery) still is not a thing.
> Trans women are not males who call themselves women, though.
They are male, by definition. If they were female then they would actually be women, rather than men trying to mimic women - which is the reality of 'trans existence' for these males.
They really have no business imposing themselves in female-only spaces. Rejecting this form of male entitlement and keeping them excluded from these spaces that are not for them isn't 'genocide' by any means. That is sheer hyperbole.
> However, sterilization (aka genital surgery) still is not a thing.
Genital surgery for minors is rarer but it actually a thing that happens. For example, reality television victim Jazz Jennings was sterilised at 17 years old.
Here's another male who had his surgery at 16: https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/29/transgender-teen-who-began-tr...
And another: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/fb-6329525/WHO-JACKIE-GRE...
Idk man, I think this shit should be between the trans person and their doctor. We already pierce the ears and rip the foreskin off babies, and minors can get boob jobs and nose jobs already. Minors get all manner of drugs prescribed. If a doctor thinks some treatment is appropriate for a kid, okay. If it turns out to be medical malpractice we have the court system for that.
Also, I disagree that men in women’s bathrooms is inherently predatory. Frankly, this discriminates against fathers of young children because often one has to bring a daughter into the bathroom or change their infants diaper. Also, the bathroom thing is super weird, like how are you gonna enforce this in a non imposing, non disregarding of boundary way? Already butch women experience harassment for not performing femininity, and there’s news articles where nosy weirdos harass them in bathrooms…
> Also, I disagree that men in women's bathrooms is inherently predatory. Frankly, this discriminates against fathers of young children because often one has to bring a daughter into the bathroom or change their infants diaper.
I don't agree with you on this, in almost all circumstances they should be using the bathroom appropriate for the sex of the adult, which in this case is the male one. If there genuinely is no baby changing facility available that isn't in the ladies' bathroom then for the welfare of the child an exception can be made, but the father needs to check with the women using this space first.
This scenario is very different to the males who feel entitled to use women's spaces whenever they please and for their own satisfaction, rather than to provide for their child as in your example.
> Also, the bathroom thing is super weird, like how are you gonna enforce this in a non imposing, non disregarding of boundary way?
All that's really being asked for is for males to understand that female spaces are not theirs, to voluntarily refrain from entering, and to acknowledge that women have the right to have violators expelled.
The problem is that far too many males truly cannot conceive of the idea of simply respecting the space and boundaries of women. It literally doesn't cross their minds, so they immediately jump to whether or not women can forcibly stop them. The belief seems to be that if a woman cannot enforce this, they may take anything they like from her with impunity.
Perhaps that's not the connotation you intended, at least not consciously, when you wrote 'how are you gonna enforce this'. But I believe this form of male entitlement is what this implies, even with the best of intentions.
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