> Israel admits defeat and gives Hamas everything it wants. How does this remove Hamas from power?
Obviously it does not. There is a difference, however, between giving Hamas everything they want and giving Palestinians absolutely nothing, ever. Pulling back settlements and occupation from the Fatah-dominated West Bank would be a start.
It doesn’t automatically. But it can’t happen until the occupation ends. And ultimately Hamas gained prominence precisely because of the occupation which destroyed all other groups with any influence.
You understand that your illogical and immoral death pact works both ways, right?
Who is dominant militarily? Does it look like the U.N. is going to be able to continue the theater of pulling the reigns on Israel?
There is a logical reason as to why civilians shouldn't be used as pawns in war. It green lights all civilians and tragically opens the door to ethnic cleansing.
And yet here you are arguing that the war can't end until Israel is removed. Literally demanding the terms, and guaranteeing the results, for the removal of Palestinians. Crazy talk, from someone who pretends to have the interests of the Palestinians at heart.
This is causally backwards. There are more restrictions on Gaza than the West Bank because of Hamas. The Palestinian civil war after Israel ceeded all of Gaza is what destroyed other groups. They did it to themselves and it's not surprising because Hamas represents very popular positions among actual people who live there.
The end result is up to the Palestinian people. All demand right of return and ending apartheid. Some want that done through the abolishing of Israel entirely, others through land swaps that allow two states to exist. What actually happens will depend on the relative balance of forces at the time.
The end result isn’t actually up to the Palestinian people because their power is limited. They have the freedom to make choices within limits.
I recommend optimizing for prosperity in the presence of Israel. That would be a very good choice. It’s possible to thrive, as an individual and as a people, if you stay focused on that.
I love the Palestinian people and want them to thrive. The best way to accomplish that is to love God and to love your neighbor.
Broadly speaking, the Jewish people like to be lawful (according to their own conception of the law). It’s possible to work with that system and to be successful.
People often say “It’s complicated” or “It’s intractable.” I don’t believe that at all. It’s only intractable if you dig in your heels.
Perfection doesn’t exist this side of heaven, but it is possible to live and to be happy.
How does this work out? Let's say Israel admits defeat and gives Hamas everything it wants. How does this remove Hamas from power?
> Israel admits defeat and gives Hamas everything it wants. How does this remove Hamas from power?
Obviously it does not. There is a difference, however, between giving Hamas everything they want and giving Palestinians absolutely nothing, ever. Pulling back settlements and occupation from the Fatah-dominated West Bank would be a start.
It doesn’t automatically. But it can’t happen until the occupation ends. And ultimately Hamas gained prominence precisely because of the occupation which destroyed all other groups with any influence.
You understand that your illogical and immoral death pact works both ways, right?
Who is dominant militarily? Does it look like the U.N. is going to be able to continue the theater of pulling the reigns on Israel?
There is a logical reason as to why civilians shouldn't be used as pawns in war. It green lights all civilians and tragically opens the door to ethnic cleansing.
And yet here you are arguing that the war can't end until Israel is removed. Literally demanding the terms, and guaranteeing the results, for the removal of Palestinians. Crazy talk, from someone who pretends to have the interests of the Palestinians at heart.
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This is causally backwards. There are more restrictions on Gaza than the West Bank because of Hamas. The Palestinian civil war after Israel ceeded all of Gaza is what destroyed other groups. They did it to themselves and it's not surprising because Hamas represents very popular positions among actual people who live there.
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To be clear, you mean the entire nation of Israel, correct?
The end result is up to the Palestinian people. All demand right of return and ending apartheid. Some want that done through the abolishing of Israel entirely, others through land swaps that allow two states to exist. What actually happens will depend on the relative balance of forces at the time.
The end result isn’t actually up to the Palestinian people because their power is limited. They have the freedom to make choices within limits.
I recommend optimizing for prosperity in the presence of Israel. That would be a very good choice. It’s possible to thrive, as an individual and as a people, if you stay focused on that.
I love the Palestinian people and want them to thrive. The best way to accomplish that is to love God and to love your neighbor.
Broadly speaking, the Jewish people like to be lawful (according to their own conception of the law). It’s possible to work with that system and to be successful.
People often say “It’s complicated” or “It’s intractable.” I don’t believe that at all. It’s only intractable if you dig in your heels.
Perfection doesn’t exist this side of heaven, but it is possible to live and to be happy.