Comment by busterarm

2 years ago

I largely agree but the community was pretty persecuted and dispersed from the early 5th century through basically the 1200s.

The biggest problem I find with the collective understanding people have of the conflict is that people largely think nothing of note happened before 1900 but the prior history determines a ton of why later decisions were made that people attribute to the start of conflict.

I kind of take the opposite position. History is complicated, always. However, the basic problem of Israel and Palestine is that Palestinians either live under military law (the West Bank) or in a big prison (Gaza). That's obviously not a democratic, dignified, or otherwise morally defensible situation.

Ultimately, the security needs of Israel need to be balanced against the rights of the Palestinians, and as it stands, the Palestinians have no negotiating power, so they get nothing. If politicians around the world made it clear you cannot be 'the only democracy in the middle east' while having millions of people subject to military law, I expect the Palestinians would have enough negotiating room to force some kind of reasonable settlement.

  • Well then you really should look at how the West Bank came to fall under military law, and how the Gaza Strip became overpopulated with both its neighboring countries closing its borders.

    History is complicated, yes, but it is how we got into this situation and everybody's idea of a solution is based on their preferred version of history.

    • You cannot be “the only democracy in the Middle East” and use the excuse that the other countries are making you be authoritarian despots. That makes you just another authoritarian country with trappings of democracy for part of the population.

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