Comment by MSFT_Edging
2 years ago
> Second, Israel isn't "murdering" civilians in collective retribution.
Dehumanization is the first step to a genocide.
Additionally, this does not explain the violence being done in the West Bank to Palestinians, a population that is notably not ruled by Hamas.
What did I say that was dehumanizing? If you're talking about me putting the word "murder" in quotes, it's because casualties of war aren't usually referred to as victims of murder, but I was quoting the parent post.
> Additionally, this does not explain the violence being done in the West Bank to Palestinians, a population that is notably not ruled by Hamas.
There are definitely Hamas operatives there as well, not to mention a public that is overwhelmingly supportive of Hamas's actions. I'm not saying this to say they should be "punished", I'm saying this to explain that there are genuine security threats that Israel needs to deal with in the WB as well.
That said, some of the violence there is totally unjustified, especially violence instigated by settlers and not the IDF.
You are conveniently ignoring that these aren't civilians getting caught in a crossfire. They're civilians being targeted. You don't kill about 20k civilians in 2 months without targeting civilians.
To call these deaths simply a casualty of a normal war is seriously undercutting how heinous the actions by the IDF are.
I'm not ignoring that, I don't believe that's the case.
> You don't kill about 20k civilians in 2 months without targeting civilians.
None of us have any way of knowing if that 20k civilian count is accurate. Gaza's Ministry of Health doesn't, as far as I know, give a breakdown of whether the deaths are militants or civilians. So according to their numbers, literally 0 Hamas militants have been killed and all 20k deaths are civilians.
Obviously if that's true, then that would prove the IDF is targeting civilians. But it's obviously not true.
The IDF's own estimation is about 5k militants dead, and around 10k civilians dead. A terrible tragedy that any civilians die, of course - but not an order of magnitude difference to other conflicts, as some people are presenting it.
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