Comment by DiogenesKynikos

2 years ago

Of course you're not going to condemn the murder of thousands of Palestinian civilians.

So no description of outcome of withdrawal then? Just standard manipulative avoidance of the hard part?

Well what you have suggested would inevitably lead to what is happening already only on a bigger scale. Consciously or not it seems you do not mind that and thus the loss of life because it is too hard for you to analyse outcome of your own propositions.

  • You've finally let slip what you believe: Israel should continue to subject Palestinians to military occupation indefinitely.

    The alternative, you claim, is "what is happening already only on a bigger scale," meaning more attacks on Israel, as on 7 October. You say that ending the occupation will lead to loss of life, which you accuse me of not caring about.

    In other words, in your view, only Israel's security matters, and only Israeli lives matter. 20k Palestinians killed: a necessary price for Israel's security. Indefinite Palestinian subjugation to a foreign military power that slowly takes over more and more Palestinian land: necessary to preserve Israeli security. Israel withdrawing to its internationally recognized borders, as demanded by UN Security Council Resolution 242: unthinkable.

    • >You've finally let slip what you believe: Israel should continue to subject Palestinians to military occupation indefinitely.

      This is incorrect and it’s demonstration of putting words into my mouth. Another trick to be noticed.

      Short reflection on this exchange shows clearly that I am deliberately trying to avoid putting words into your mouth in order to see your analysis of the outcome to the actions you’ve suggested for Israel to take.

      And while I do that you are desperately trying to avoid answering second part of the question.

      “What outcome you expect after Israel does what you’ve suggested?”

      Since analyse of outcome did not arrive I did it for you.

      >The alternative, you claim …

      I didn’t. I have analysed your so called “alternative” which it is not. Israel has already tested this “brilliant” idea in 2005 by withdrawing it’s forces from Gaza together with all settlements in Gaza strip in case you didn’t know and it have led to the current situation with a bigger scale of loss of life. Not caring about this fact together with your repeated lack of wish to analyse deadly outcome of your own suggestion demonstrates your lack of caring about the loss of life wether it is intentional or not.

      > In other words …

      Well let’s leave ‘In other words’ as ‘another words’ that are just words. They ate yours, not my.

      The confusion in your comment between some fantasies and my actual opinion rises questions about integrity of ways in which you’ve analysed this conflict in general.