Comment by aaomidi

Israel seems to be optimizing for the short win at the cost of losing who they are.

Granted Hamas attacked them first but their actions give Jews worldwide a bad rep.

Ok but they haven't literally released all restraints because no nuclear weapons have been used.

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A major difference is that Israel instigated the first large scale attacks in the 1982 War, whereas Hamas instigated the ongoing war.

It also included the release of the thousands of terrorists that were captured in Israeli borders in oct 7th. People with actual blood on their hands, and a guarantee for hamas to stay in power.

Moreover, Israel offered hamas a ceasefire if they release all the hostages and exile their top 6 leaders. That offer was rejected by hamas.

So please don’t present such a one sided view

You mean they were raped ok by the militants? https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/there-wasnt-a-moment-freed-h...

Hamas is democratically elected government in Gaza.

I think its reasonable to expect the same level of adherance to such a ceasefire that was also in place prior to Oct 7th.

And we should believe that why? They have also said they would do Oct 7th again as many times as they could.

They (Hamas) broke the first temporary cease fire several times. I highly doubt their sincerity.

The court didn't even order them to reduce civilian deaths.

They do have to submit a report on their implementation of the orders, but reducing civilian deaths wasn't on the list of things they had to report on.

I find it hard to believe there’s correlation between the beginnings of Russia-Ukraine and Israel-Hamas and who the US president is.

If anything, Russia and Hamas are each less likely to spark each conflict (in the specific sense of invading Ukraine and 7 October, not the preconditions) knowing that the US is more likely to provide arms to Ukraine and Israel.

Personally regardless of any other stance I will always vote along the abortion lines. I would hope others would be able to prioritize that as well. I dont want to see the US turn into a theocratic dictatorship.

I'm not sure the protestors will be a net negative, lots of people protested trump in 2016 and them getting thrown out only encouraged his base. If you watch the videos of the Biden interruptions the crowd stays firmly on Biden's side.

Biden's issues at the moment are that economic sentiment is a lagging indicator of some variables that have only recently recovered to their normal values (inflation etc.). If these issues fix themselves we will have a better sense of whether Israel-Hamas War has meaningfully impacted him.

He campaigned on banning Muslims. He then tried three different times to ban a large amount of Muslims. He regularly denigrates Muslims and blames them for our problems. According to his own people, he wanted to ban Muslims and wanted a fig-leaf to do it legally [1].

This kinda comes down to a case of who are you going to believe, a notorious fraudster and conman or your own lying eyes?

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/29/tr...

> How would Israel disappear? Palestine is clearly no match for them - who else is expected to suddenly move in?

They've had wars with all their immediate neighbours since the modern state was created: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab–Israeli_conflict#Notable_...

Some of those countries are more friendly now, but loss of USA support would be huge. Such a removal of support would IMO be extremely unlikely due to how USA internal politics looks like from outside.

American foreign policy wasn't parodied as "world police" for nothing.

> I certainly think we could stop funding their military while still pledging to support them if someone actually tries to invade.

Subtly and nuance? Oh how I wish any politics cared about that.

I'm assuming, from the PoV of Israel and the Jewish diaspora in the USA, that because the specific attack that set this in motion was much much worse (proportionally speaking) than the 9/11 attacks were to the USA, anything less than 100% uncritical total support will look like "a betrayal" or "giving in to terrorism", to enough of the Jewish electorate in the USA, as to make that kind of talk unviable for at least a decade.

Real people aren't Vulcans. Emotions are raw, and will remain that way for a long time. And so the cycle will continue until either one side or the other is dead, or some absolute negotiating genius steps in and manages something even more impressive than the Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland.

(Makes me wish for Mo Mowlam to be reincarnated; good luck to you if she was an inspiration!)

I agree with your major point, but just point of fact that 20% of Israel's military budget is from foreign military aid-- nearly all of that paid by US tax payers (although it was France that likely supplied Israel with the technology for their nuclear arsenal).

A US official stated that at the rate Israel is bombing Gaza, Israel would have run out of munitions in 3 days without US aid. An Israeli official said the same, but he said their arsenal would only have lasted one day. Even if either/both were engaging in a degree of hyperbole, the gist is, that the bombing continues at the will of the Biden administration.

Yes, Israel would not cease to exist if the US withdrew support for genocidal murder and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, but it would halt this most recent massacre of Palestinians by Israelis.

And, if the US stopped running cover for Israel in the UN Security Council, Israel would find it untenable to continue its belligerent disregard of international humanitarian law and past UN resolutions-- it might actually become the democratic state it claims to be, but to do so it will necessarily no longer be an ethno-religious state.

It's a common fallacy that money equates to purchasing power. That is only true so long as there continues to be a market with stable supply and stable prices. After COVID-19, many people had plenty of money, but you simply could not buy masks or vaccines at any price if there simply were no longer any to be sold.

Militaries are just as interconnected as anybody else. They depend on supplies of weapons and munitions. If the supply is gone, the size of the budget doesn't matter.

Iran is who is expected to suddenly move in under this scenario.

Israel can face defeat without everybody dying (which is what would happen if they tried to use nuclear weapons). The US has enough control over Israel to make sure that never happens. We are a far greater military power than Israel.

Is deploying nuclear weapons against a close ally of Russia really a feasible scenario?

The conflict didn’t start on October 7th. There were still innocent kids being shot by IDF soldiers before then.

This is before October 7th, from September 2023. ‘ 2023 marks deadliest year on record for children in the occupied West Bank“

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/...