Comment by kelnos

2 years ago

Having to share your phone number does not meaningfully affect security and privacy. Being able to sign up without a phone number enables anonymity. Anonymity and privacy are related, to be sure, but anonymity is not required for privacy.

I think it's a mischaracterization to say that they spam "everyone" when you create an account. They only tell others who a) have you in their contact lists, and b) have an account with Signal too. I agree, though, that they should be more transparent about this, and require that you opt in to this behavior.

Personally, though, I don't mind it; for the most part this is how I've discovered other contacts on Signal, and vice versa. But I can understand why it makes some people uncomfortable.

What I find "absolutely mind bending" is that this is such a big deal-breaker for people such as yourself. While I wouldn't call it a nothingburger, it's -- to me -- at most a simple error in assuming what people are comfortable with.

Edit: I re-read what a few others had said upthread about how indiscriminate this new-user notification is. The examples of notifications being sent to users that had been blocked via the phone's built-in call/SMS blocking features are especially chilling. There's really no excuse for that, but still, to me this automatic notification is a feature developed in good faith, with good intentions, not some nefarious privacy invasion. They should be taken to task for its failings, but dismissing the entire platform over it seems a bit over the top.

> Having to share your phone number does not meaningfully affect security and privacy.

Of course it does, way more than "meaningfully". I actually wonder if I got your message right taken that I am not a native speaker of English.

Do you mean that if your phone is public (and you are known to be the owner) you will not get creepy calls, have ot listed as a free pizza delivery for calls after 23:00, having it blacklisted, ....

I must have understood wrong.

Otherwise what is the number of your president/prime minister? Or the CEO of Google/Apple/... I do not think they are public.