Comment by KingMob
2 years ago
> What can one do when criminals have embedded them self in the civilian population? Why don't they get out and meet the police on the battle field?
We wouldn't tolerate a SWAT team blowing up a hospital if the mafia had taken over the basement, I have no idea why you think this is acceptable.
> It is much better than the carpet bombing used by other nations.
It is exactly like the carpet bombing used by other nations.
> We wouldn't tolerate a SWAT team blowing up a hospital if the mafia had taken over the basement, I have no idea why you think this is acceptable.
While I agree with comparing Hamas to the mafia, both are criminal organizations, Hamas is more than that. It has rockets, it mascaraed civilians and holds the ideology of genociding its enemy. None of that is applicable to the mafia. So if its people are hiding in an hospital and refuse to surrender there is no moral objection to blow up the hospital (Also, if you are referring to Shifa Hospital, Israel didn't blow it, they entered with SWAT teams and there were fierce fighting costing also Israeli soldiers lives)
> It is exactly like the carpet bombing used by other nations. I'll link to Wikipedia to help you spot the differences [0]
[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpet_bombing
I think that no matter your view on the mafia or Hamas, it still doesn't justify the amount of death and destruction that is being done in Gaza. No matter how you spin it or sugar coat itw killing, displacing and starving civilians, killing aid workers and journalists and destroying civilian infrastructure are war crimes. As for the Al-Shifa Hospital, Israel's SWAT is either incompetent or not a SWAT team at all judging by the length of the operation, 2 weeks, and the photos of the Hospital after they left.
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But Hamas is a cancer that constantly is trying to metastasize into Israel. Seriously, what is Israel supposed to do? Anything they label as "Do not attack" just becomes an attack vector for Hamas.
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Your argument is just whataboutism and barely worth even engaging with. It is possible that both sides of the military conflict are wrong. Being against Israel’s actions here don’t imply support for Hamas and vice versa. In this case, Israel is the one with most of the power, and they’ve used that power to kill far more people than Hamas. To defend that abuse of power is immoral.
It seems that you learned a new word "whataboutism" and don't really know how to use it.
Hamas is controlling Gaza for 15 years now. Did they care about the population? did they build roads, schools? or dig tunnels and accumulated weapons? So what ideas do you have? giving them candies? Hamas must be eliminated from position of power, yes it will cost innocent lives, but if you ever wish to move toward peace that is the first step.
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Would Israel blow an israeli hospital if Hamas took the basement?
If they would take just the basement that would be unnecessary, but they took everything up to the roof.
I mean... per the Hannibal doctrine they might just
For an explanation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive#2023_Israel...
Because this is war and not a SWAT police operation?
If soldiers in the field have reason to believe the enemy is in a building and call in air support to bomb it, no part of that is a war crime. Even if someone later goes and discovers the people in that building were actually preschoolers; what matters is what the people in the field making the decisions knew at that moment.
> what matters is what the people in the field making the decisions knew at that moment
This is insane. What matters is the objective truth, whether or not dozens of preschoolers were killed due to an operational mistake.
War is horrible, what’s new? But few things in it qualify for war crimes.
You realize you're actively advocating for a lack of critical thinking and investigation, to maintain plausible deniability? What could possibly go wrong?