Comment by shepherdjerred
2 years ago
> Painting the problem on the other sides while the aggressor is very obvious is a dishonest take at best.
You're right. Israel isn't blameless; I did gloss over history although that wasn't really my intention. It has been the aggressor in the past.
Overall, I feel that Israel has to be aggressive just to survive in the environment. I'm not condoning what's going on today, but it is unfair to act like Israel has some _clearly_ better or "right" choice that they're just ignoring.
> If you want your neighbors to even recognize and sympathize with your cause then you don't kill their children and take their lands. And then claim self-defense.
There is not a world where Israel could rest without fear of being attacked. The entire region would have to change drastically.
> but it is unfair to act like Israel has some _clearly_ better or "right" choice that they're just ignoring
Let me first state I'm confused by that statement. I don't feel safe so that I will not only treat the people I live with them in the same house bad and kill them. I will take lands from my neighbors and kill some of them too. Likewise, I will have a right wing group in my house who want the death of all my neighborhood ethnicity [1]. And that's because of them forcing me to do that because otherwise I don't feel safe. Maybe you can do better.
If you want them to accept you then start by granting indigenous people their own land and don't build new settlements on their lands (800k in west bank alone) and share it with them (1967 international recognized borders) and return the Syrian and Lebanese lands. You try to play nice with them and advocate for your cause, you suffered in Europe, came as refugee and some of us living here with you (indigenous people) for centuries, and we can do it again. You stop bombing your neighbors, for sure. Furthermore, you don't elect right wing government who call for genocide of Palestinians (remember the motto of likud "from the river to the sea" ?)
> There is not a world where Israel could rest without fear of being attacked. The entire region would have to change drastically.
Yes, and of course this change will be sparked by killing tens of thousands and starving millions to death, occupying lands from most of the neighbors and build new settlements on them. Yes, that is very good and efficient way to make peace.
And what about the other side, did you stop to think from their preservice ? Why don't you think that they have the right to their lands and peaceful life without a nuclear-powered army occupying their lands ?
[1] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israeli-crowds-chant-raci...