Comment by pbhjpbhj
2 years ago
5 years ago HSBC were charging us, a micro-business (2 employees, not software) about the same for cash handling as we paid for debit card processing.
If small businesses give discounts for cash it's because they're committing tax fraud, I presume.
Cash handling is typically in the neighborhood of 0.2%-0.3%, so you were apparently overpaying:
https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/banking/business-checking...
And that's assuming you're depositing all of your revenue. If your business allows you to pay some of your suppliers in cash, you could have >50% of your revenue in cash and never pay a bank for cash handling because you're immediately spending it on business expenses rather than depositing it.
> If small businesses give discounts for cash it's because they're committing tax fraud, I presume.
I have seen governments charge a convenience fee for credit card processing. Is the government committing tax fraud?
> Cash handling is typically in the neighborhood of 0.2%-0.3%, so you were apparently overpaying […]
This is not universal, and banks in different countries charge different cash collections fees. The cash collection fees are also structured, e.g. whether the daily collection is required, or every other day, or once a week.
It does not end there.
Many banks still require the business to sort collected coins into separate money bags according to the coin denomination, e.g $1 coins go into one bag, $0.50 coins go into their own bag. Coin bags have a weight limit, 2 or 3 kg, which means that the business has to weigh the money bag up before handing it over, or it will not be accepted.
Now that we are done with material things, we also have to consider all things immaterial that the cash handling entails.
Before the money bag is handed over, the collected cash has to be counted and reconciled against the cash register records on premises, otherwise it will create annoying and time consuming to fix discrepancies in the accounting system. If a staff has accidentally mislaid a note or a few coins, amounts won't reconcile and incur a cash collection delay as the armoured truck can't wait for the reconciliation to complete. Which may consequently increase the risk of leaving cash in the shop overnight with all expected consequences of a potential burglary and losing the cash.
That is just some of the peculiarities of how cash is handled, and I am not sure whether cash handling turns out to be cheaper for an average business with a substantial number of cash payments a day.
Electronic payments, on the other hand do not have any of those shortcomings, vastly reduce the margin for human errors, automate the reconciliation and accounting and reduce the risk (i.e. no money is kept in the shop overnight).
And it's so much easier to pay by phone! I can be through the payment process in 20 seconds at a supermarket if I pay with my phone, and need nothing on me than my phone. Meanwhile cash takes fumbling, counting either by a machine or by a person, calculation in my head what I need to provide, making sure I always have not too little and not too much on me, making sure the total amount of coins doesn't get out of hand, etc.
> This is not universal, and banks in different countries charge different cash collections fees.
This would not seem to be relevant unless you're in one of those countries.
> Many banks still require the business to sort collected coins into separate money bags according to the coin denomination, e.g $1 coins go into one bag, $0.50 coins go into their own bag. Coin bags have a weight limit, 2 or 3 kg, which means that the business has to weigh the money bag up before handing it over, or it will not be accepted.
There are machines that sort and count coins. Coins have uniform weights, so the number of coins in a 3kg bag will always be the same and the machine's count tells you when you're at the weight limit.
Also, what kind of business are you in that you're accumulating small denomination coins? Typical behavior is the customer shows up with three $20 bills to buy something for $52.37 and then you need to disperse a $5, two $1s and some loose change. You don't bring coins to the bank, you bring them a stack of $20s and $50s and then withdraw more small denominations to make change with.
> Before the money bag is handed over, the collected cash has to be counted and reconciled against the cash register records on premises, otherwise it will create annoying and time consuming to fix discrepancies in the accounting system.
So you dump the cash into the counting machine at the end of shift. It's really not that complicated.
> If a staff has accidentally mislaid a note or a few coins, amounts won't reconcile and incur a cash collection delay as the armoured truck can't wait for the reconciliation to complete.
Why would you wait until the truck arrives to do the count? You count the money and put it in a safe. Also, why would you pay for armored car service? If you have $300,000 in annual revenue then your daily take is less than $1000.
> Which may consequently increase the risk of leaving cash in the shop overnight with all expected consequences of a potential burglary and losing the cash.
Shops typically have more value in inventory than they have in cash. Breaking into a safe to steal $1000 in cash isn't even worth the trouble when they can break the glass on the display case and walk away with $10,000 in electronics or tools or small appliances.
> Electronic payments, on the other hand do not have any of those shortcomings, vastly reduce the margin for human errors, automate the reconciliation and accounting and reduce the risk (i.e. no money is kept in the shop overnight).
And they'll be great as soon as we have a system to use them that has low transaction costs and preserves the buyer's privacy by not creating an electronic record of everything they buy tied to their government ID. Until then they can GTFO.
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