Comment by blueflow
1 year ago
People for whom gender is part of their identity are covertly hostile towards people who don't care. The people that are expelled are never those who have pronouns in their bio's. Respecting (=affirming) gender identity is part of every CoC.
Just a feeling. I have no proof.
While I believe one should not put their gender into their identity, the vast majority does, and is also not hostile towards those who don't care, and you can't really ignore gender-related issues and discrimination of current society right now because, while I think it ought not be, gender is a big deal and you can't ignore this.
And, It should go without saying, respecting one's identity is the least we can do, including the gender since it's in there. Except, of course, for horrible stuff, but surely gender is no such thing.
Actually, while I don't care about my gender, if you are not ready to respect my fellow human beings and their identity, I don't really want to have to interact with you.
When you say "not caring", do you mean "Can't be bothered to use pronouns people wish to be referred to" or "don't mind being called with whatever pronoun?" Because the phrasing is ambiguous and two of the possible meanings are radically different things.
Actually they are hostile if you are non-conforming (not all but many enough that its a problem). This results in the discrimination you speak of.
At this point im not sure if socially constructing your identity is that common outside of your teenage years.
So to clarify, you mean cis people caring too much about their gender being hostile towards LGBTQIA+ people / people not caring about their gender and causing discrimination?
then I'm with you, a part of the problem is there.
Actually this doesn't match your first sentence, trans people pretty much care about their gender. I believe only a part of the non conforming people don't care about their gender.
Anecdote but as a cis male not caring about his gender, I never quite felt hostility against me in particular (against the male gender, sure, but I understand this hostility)
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I agree. Having this added to CoCs is a method of trying to enforce compliance to a controversial ideology.
Those of us who reject the idea that women and men are to be redefined in terms of "gender identity", and consider this to be a sexist belief system, either have to pretend to hold this view or be excluded from participating.
Oooor hear me out, you can just be respectful of people and you wouldn't be excluded.
Disagreement is not disrespect.
Bunching several concerns together and calling everyone who cares about them the 2024 equivalent of "blue-haired SJW" with some extra transphobia sprinkled in is the opposite of intellectual curiosity.
You could've just not commented.
I intentionally did not do that because its unsubstantial flame.
Do you have a better suggestion on whats going on?
srid is mad he got banned for inserting "unwoke everything" into nixos discussions and he saw an opportunity to fight the spectre of social justice (trans people wanting a space where people talking shit about them isn't the status quo) while claiming people supporting the open letter are incapable of honestly caring or contributing to Nix?
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These people want to steer away projects from being involved in the military but these people are also always at war with whoever that does not agree with whatever they currently think.
>These people want to steer away projects from being involved in the military
Then they don't understand what free software is.
Not surprising considering these people are primarily activists and software is merely means of gaining personal power in another space.