Comment by steelbrain
8 months ago
The title on the website is “Google, Cloudflare & Cisco Will Poison DNS to Stop Piracy Block Circumvention”.
Curious why Cloudflare has been singled out in the submission title?
8 months ago
The title on the website is “Google, Cloudflare & Cisco Will Poison DNS to Stop Piracy Block Circumvention”.
Curious why Cloudflare has been singled out in the submission title?
Same concern here.
Also, the phrasing in both, but especially the HN title made me think Cloudflare chose to do something, but it turns out the French court is forcing all of them.
They could fight and choose not to. They could ignore this and choose not to. They deserve our judgement for that
They did fight it in court. They lost.
I'm surprised you're so keen on having big tech companies intentionally ignore court orders and just break the law. Like, it's obviously something none of us should want.
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The article is too thin to know what, if any fight was had.
I suspect France could find a way to make things very difficult for them all.
I suppose they could withdraw their service from the country in protest, but it's not obvious that would leave anyone better off.
It's a difficult call and I'm not prepared to harshly judge an organization for complying with a legal, enforceable injunction.
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If you want to judge someone so badly, why not go after the politicians who are creating these despicable policies?
It's almost as if the headline isn't the whole story.
It's almost like that, but more like the headline was misleading.
Fixed now, although leaving out the court order is also misleading.
If anyone wants to suggest an accurate, neutral title that gets it all under the 80 char limit, we can change it again.
Asked ChatGPT, it came up with this
Court Orders Google, Cloudflare & Cisco to Poison DNS to Stop Piracy
Not bad - I've consed "French" onto it and put it above.
Google, Cloudflare, and Cisco will poison DNS to Block Piracy as Ordered by Court
Also, the country (france) is ordering the "poisoning", these american companies just comply with local regulations.
Heavily biased article.
Remember that dns/ip systems are decentralized at the national precisely so that countries have sovereignity.
The editorial line would have us believe that france is committing a free speech crime or overturning internet infrastructure, while in actuality they are exherting their national rights.
This is literally just a framing issue. Note first that people generally believe in universal human rights, e.g. states shouldn't be allowed to do horrible things (e.g. genocide) just because they would be asserting their national rights.
Further the action of a single state often influences other states, as is especially true when it comes to the internet which is global by nature.
If you are comparing genocide with blocking pirating websites, I'm out
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Google runs widely used public DNS server 8.8.8.8
Cloudflare runs widely used public DNS server 1.1.1.1
That's my guess why these two companies were singled out.
Probably because HN limits titles to 80 characters, so OP had to choose one to get under the limit.
No, it's editorialising. The original title "Google, Cloudflare & Cisco Will Poison DNS to Stop Piracy Block Circumvention" is 77 characters.
They're the most respected / most surprising?
Respected by who?
Respect might not be the right word, but during their meteoric rise to popularity in the past decade they have consistently shouted “we don’t moderate content, we’re just a dumb pipe, don’t take this up with us take it up with the publisher!”
In the past 3 years or so they have repeatedly proven that to be a lie; they weren’t able to have their cake and eat it too. But their old reputation still sticks around amongst people who don’t follow the space that closely.
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Doubtful.