Comment by spencerchubb
8 months ago
Can anyone explain like I'm an idiot concrete reasons how Google Chrome's dominance is bad for the web? Preferably things that have actually happened, not what might happen
8 months ago
Can anyone explain like I'm an idiot concrete reasons how Google Chrome's dominance is bad for the web? Preferably things that have actually happened, not what might happen
Google tried to get this through, and was only prevented because competing browsers didn't play along.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federated_Learning_of_Cohorts
It's a web browser built and controlled by an advertising giant in order to serve you monetized pages more quickly. For examples of why this is bad for the user, search FLoC and manifest V3, both of which they try to say are better for the user despite being objectively worse (the latter hobbles web ad blocker extensions and the former is a solution to "reasonable" web ads and user tracking).
To nitpick: extensions using manifest V3 can in some cases allow better control of permissions granted to the extension.
This way the user can feel more secure about the extension not doing things it didn’t advertise.
In those cases I would say that’s genuinely better for the user. Wouldn’t you?
Not all extensions are AdBlock Plus which (as an exception) have very specific needs not covered by manifest V3.
It’s not all black and white. Google is not all in the wrong here, even though their motivation is obvious.
One answer: Google's interests are at cross-purposes. They are simultaneously making money from showing you advertisements, but also giving you a browser, and sometimes these conflict. For example, they recently rolled out a new on-by-default "feature" to identify yourself to advertisers.
Another answer: concentration of power and market share stifles innovation. Look at what happened to Internet Explorer when Microsoft was the only game in town.
Google Accelerated Mobile Pages were one example of a dangerous pattern that Google pushed, for probably altruistic and selfish reasons.
Less specific, but I think just as reasonable, is looking at the philosophical alignment and financial incentives of the organization behind the browser.
Google's interests are often in direct misalignment to my own, and by virtue of that, I would strongly prefer them to not have such a position of power over the market.
Would you want to have all smart TVs manufactured by the dominant advertising company? How do you think that would turn out?
Android TV is pretty widespread already. Not that alternative smart TV software is much better about drowning you in ads.
You want to know why a monopoly is bad, using only evidence from when it was not yet a monopoly (or not quite)? That feels to me a bit like missing the point.
I think for a lot of us on the older end, we lived through the era of Microsoft Internet Explorer dominating the web and that experience informs our thinking. As long as there was competition between MSIE and Netscape, with each one trying to outdo the other, both browsers kept getting better and the web kept becoming a more and more capable platform. But quite soon after Netscape crumbled and stopped being a serious competitor, MSIE stagnated: development didn't just slow but halted for half a decade. The web stagnated, too, and Microsoft's dominance meant that a lot of what did get built was locked in to their platform. (Partly things like CSS quirks and nonstandard rendering behaviors, and just plain neglect of new possibilities in HTML, JS, and CSS. But more than that: how many companies built ActiveX controls in that era, which mostly required Windows to function? The entire internet infrastructure of South Korea got locked in to ActiveX by law from about 1999 to 2020.) So imagining an era of Chrome monoculture brings back some pretty negative memories.
I don't expect that Google would make the exact same mistakes that Microsoft made. But it would be awfully hard for them not to shape browser design around their own corporate interests if there were no competition driving innovation and no disincentive to shaping the entire future of the web platform in Google-friendly ways. I know that's not "things that have actually happened", but the whole point is that things change once an effective monopoly is achieved.
Chrome has been #1 since 2013 and reached peak dominance around 2018. Is that not enough time for evidence of whether it's good or bad?
Since you wanted to restrict it to things that happened:
- Chrome began to "log in" users into the browser by default, if they so much as logged in to Gmail or Youtube, or anything that uses Gmail ID oAuth. That means that all the searches and web visits made on the browser are explicitly tied to your Gmail ID.
Impeding content blockers like uBlock Origin.
What's wrong with looking at what might happen?
That is also a fine question to ask. I was just curious about what has already happened because chrome has been the #1 browser since 2013.
IMO the more interesting question is "why not fork Chromium"? The corporate effects of a browser monopoly are pretty obvious.
The less obvious question, and Im genuinely curious, is why do you need to rewrite the engines when there are at least 2 good compliant open source ones? The only way an engine rewrite is worthwhile is if yours is significantly leaner or faster, both seem very unlikely. An seemingly-impossible milestone of hitting party isnt that interesting, is it?