Comment by dumbo-octopus
2 years ago
Going back to the point of the the thread, we agree the deleted data is not erased. The user is unable to access it through normal mechanisms, but the existence of side channels that could reveal it does not negate the idea that it has truly been “deleted”, especially when one looks at the historical context surrounding that word.
What? I don't agree with that.
Can you point to an example of a modern database that "supports deletion" but keeps the data around forever? Maybe I've just used different tools than you. Knowing modern data retention concerns I'd be surprised if such a thing existed.
Who said anything about that? We’re talking about side channels and eventual^TM deletion. Given enough time no information will remain anywhere, sure. But that’s not very relevant.
I think we are trying to define the word "delete". You found an archaic definition and are trying to use it in a modern technical setting. You've claimed that modern databases delete without actually removing data but haven't pointed to which systems you are talking about. I'm familiar with tombstoning, either as a "soft-delete" or as part of an eventual deletion process. But I've never seen that called deletion as that would be very confusing.
Pointing to which database you are talking about should clear this up quickly.
I don't think it's reasonable to talk about backups here. A backup is external to the database so it inherently cannot delete it. Similar to how a piece of paper cannot destroy a photograph of the paper, but burning the paper destroys it.
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