Comment by miroljub
1 year ago
Can confirm.
Google is a new Microsoft, they leverage their position to cross promote their shit browser and their shit data stealing services.
Sorry guys, if your data collection website doesn't work well with Firefox and uBlock Origin, I just won't use it.
Not only YouTube, but even Google Meet is completely unusable on Firefox. I've noticed memory usage spikes on Firefox, while all other video conferencing platforms work fine. On Chrome, it works perfectly.
It'll also randomly bug out and drop the network connection. Although it is so far the only videoconferencing platform that actually works with Pipewire.
Thank heavens there is https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp
And on mobile, things like https://grayjay.app/
if only this existed for meetings
It does, its called Jitsi https://jitsi.org/
"Jitsi is a set of open-source projects that allows you to easily build and deploy secure video conferencing solutions. At the heart of Jitsi are Jitsi Videobridge and Jitsi Meet, which let you have conferences on the internet, while other projects in the community enable other features such as audio, dial-in, recording, and simulcasting."
Promoting Chrome may have gotten more people to install it and give it a try, but it didn't force those people to continue using Chrome. It didn't force them to keep using Chrome for years and years, in many cases.
Most people, including a great many former Firefox users, simply chose to keep on using Chrome because it offered (and still offers) a superior web browsing experience compared to its competitors.
This isn't specifically tied to the performance of Google's various web sites, either. Firefox still feels slow and bloated even on non-Google web sites. A lot of people who don't even use Google's web sites or services still choose to use Chrome anyway.
Many of Chrome's users could easily switch to Firefox at any time, yet they choose not to.
Firefox's developers simply haven't given people a compelling reason to start (or to switch back to) using Firefox.
> Promoting Chrome may have gotten more people to install it and give it a try, but it didn't force those people to continue using Chrome. It didn't force them to keep using Chrome for years and years, in many cases.
Isnt a huge reason Google just lost its anti trust case exactly this? Google search is the default on iphones and studies, and the court, found that that was enough to make a huge majority of users stay with google search for years and years.
We're discussing Chrome here, not Google's search offerings.
Aside from Google-produced products like Android and ChromeOS, I can't remember ever using a computer or device where Chrome was installed by default.
Even for the Android devices I've used, the earlier ones didn't come with Chrome. Recent Samsung phones I've used have also included Samsung's browser as an alternative.
It's conceivable that some Windows desktop or laptop vendors might have opted to install Chrome by default, but I've never seen that with any of the systems I've used. Even then, presumably IE and/or Edge would've still been installed, too.
Having dealt with a lot of Linux systems over the years, Firefox is actually the most pre-installed browser I've encountered.
I've almost always had to go out of my way to install Chrome any time I've wanted to use it.
Any sort of notice, recommendation, banner, or other ad I've seen on Google properties while using a non-Chrome browser has never resulted in Chrome automatically being installed on my systems.
I know my experience isn't unique.
People go out of their way to download and install Chrome. They go out of their way to continue using it, too.
A lot of people simply want to use Chrome, even if doing so requires some effort on their part.
Bundling IE may have gotten more people to give it a try, but it didn't force those people to continue using IE. It didn't force them to keep using IE for years and years, in many cases.
Most people, including a great many former Netscape users, simply chose to keep on using IE because it offered (and still offers) a superior web browsing experience compared to its competitors.
DEVO got America so right:
Freedom of choice
Is what you got
Freedom from choice
Is what you want
Frontend devs usually know exactly what browsers they support and to what level. I wonder if at Google the list is just Chrome and other browsers can deal with it.
And to think Chrome was such a savior from the IE hell we all were in back in the day. It's almost like all the MS execs ended up at (do no) Evil Corp.
Your version of history is bizarre. Firefox was the one that stole the market from IE. Chrome saved us from a (at the time) very sluggish Firefox.
Firefox was never #1. It had a very slow adoption curve driven by organic growth, and just when it started being a significant competitor, at about 25-30% of market share, Chrome got released and advertised to death (and also bundled in so many unrelated stuff like a malware), and its adoption skyrocketed.
Still, when Chrome released, IE was at about 65% market share.
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You really think Google is trying to steal the 5% market share that Firefox has held on to?
I doubt they think about Firefox much at all.
I think putting Firefox's share of the market at 5% is being quite generous.
All of the metrics I've seen lately for a variety of web sites indicate that Firefox has less than 3% of the overall market.
The mobile situation is particularly bleak, where I've yet to see it even get close to breaking 1%.
At this point, Firefox's share of the market is closer to that of Mosaic, Navigator, and IE than it is to Chrome, Safari, and Edge.
The behavior is awful, but I wouldn’t call chrome shit. I keep trying to switch away and keep ending back up on it because everything else has inferior performance, or is just a clone of chrome and its rendering engine.
I still develop some rather complex React applications on Firefox at work and let the tester see if it works on Chrome. There is one page in our admin interface that loads 40,000 records that is much worse on Firefox than Chrome.
I am noticing an increasing number of sites that just plain don't work on Firefox including the one I use to pay my credit card.