Comment by grey-area
1 year ago
The 'riddle': A woman and her son are in a car accident. The woman is sadly killed. The boy is rushed to hospital. When the doctor sees the boy he says "I can't operate on this child, he is my son". How is this possible?
GPT Answer: The doctor is the boy's mother
Real Answer: Boy = Son, Woman = Mother (and her son), Doctor = Father (he says...he is my son)
This is not in fact a riddle (though presented as one) and the answer given is not in any sense brilliant. This is a failure of the model on a very basic question, not a win.
It's non deterministic so might sometimes answer correctly and sometimes incorrectly. It will also accept corrections on any point, even when it is right, unlike a thinking being when they are sure on facts.
LLMs are very interesting and a huge milestone, but generative AI is the best label for them - they generate statistically likely text, which is convincing but often inaccurate and it has no real sense of correct or incorrect, needs more work and it's unclear if this approach will ever get to general AI. Interesting work though and I hope they keep trying.
The original riddle is of course:
"A father and his son are in a car accident [...] When the boy is in hospital, the surgeon says: This is my child, I cannot operate on him".
In the original riddle the answer is that the surgeon is female and the boy's mother. The riddle was supposed to point out gender stereotypes.
So, as usual, ChatGPT fails to answer the modified riddle and gives the plagiarized stock answer and explanation to the original one. No intelligence here.
> So, as usual, ChatGPT fails to answer the modified riddle and gives the plagiarized stock answer and explanation to the original one. No intelligence here.
Or, fails in the same way any human would, when giving a snap answer to a riddle told to them on the fly - typically, a person would recognize a familiar riddle half of the first sentence in, and stop listening carefully, not expecting the other party to give them a modified version.
It's something we drill into kids in school, and often into adults too: read carefully. Because we're all prone to pattern-matching the general shape to something we've seen before and zoning out.
I'm curious what you think is happening here as your answer seems to imply it is thinking (and indeed rushing to an answer somehow). Do you think the generative AI has agency or a thought process? It doesn't seem to have anything approaching that to me, nor does it answer quickly.
It seems to be more like a weighing machine based on past tokens encountered together, so this is exactly the kind of answer we'd expect on a trivial question (I had no confusion over this question, my only confusion was why it was so basic).
It is surprisingly good at deceiving people and looking like it is thinking, when it only performs one of the many processes we use to think - pattern matching.
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> Or, fails in the same way any human would, when giving a snap answer to a riddle told to them on the fly
The point of o1 is that it's good at reasoning because it's not purely operating in the "giving a snap answer on the fly" mode, unlike the previous models released by OpenAI.
It literally is a riddle, just as the original one was, because it tries to use your expectations of the world against you. The entire point of the original, which a lot of people fell for, was to expose expectations of gender roles leading to a supposed contradiction that didn't exist.
You are now asking a modified question to a model that has seen the unmodified one millions of times. The model has an expectation of the answer, and the modified riddle uses that expectation to trick the model into seeing the question as something it isn't.
That's it. You can transform the problem into a slightly different variant and the model will trivially solve it.
Phrased as it is, it deliberately gives away the answer by using the pronoun "he" for the doctor. The original deliberately obfuscates it by avoiding pronouns.
So it doesn't take an understanding of gender roles, just grammar.
My point isn't that the model falls for gender stereotypes, but that it falls for thinking that it needs to solve the unmodified riddle.
Humans fail at the original because they expect doctors to be male and miss crucial information because of that assumption. The model fails at the modification because it assumes that it is the unmodified riddle and misses crucial information because of that assumption.
In both cases, the trick is to subvert assumptions. To provoke the human or LLM into taking a reasoning shortcut that leads them astray.
You can construct arbitrary situations like this one, and the LLM will get it unless you deliberately try to confuse it by basing it on a well known variation with a different answer.
I mean, genuinely, do you believe that LLMs don't understand grammar? Have you ever interacted with one? Why not test that theory outside of adversarial examples that humans fall for as well?
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Why couldn't the doctor be the boys mother?
There is no indication of the sex of the doctor, and families that consist of two mothers do actually exist and probably doesn't even count as that unusual.
Speaking as a 50-something year old man whose mother finished her career in medicine and the very pointy end of politics, when I first heard this joke in the 1980s it stumped me and made me feel really stupid. But my 1970s kindergarten class mates who told me “your mum can’t be a doctor, she has to be a nurse” were clearly seriously misinformed then. I believe that things are somewhat better now but not as good as they should be …
"When the doctor sees the boy he says"
Indicates the gender of the father.
Ah, but have you considered the fact that he's undergone a sex change operation, and was actually originally a female, the birth mother? Elementary, really...
A mother can have a male gender.
I wonder if this interpretation is a result of attempts to make the model more inclusive than the corpus text, resulting in a guess that's unlikely, but not strictly impossible.
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So the riddle could have two answers: mother or father? Usually riddles have only one definitive answer. There's nothing in the wording of the riddle that excludes the doctor being the father.
This particular riddle the answer is the doctor is the father.
he says
"There are four lights"- GPT will not pass that test as is. I have done a bunch of homework with Claude's help and so far this preview model has much nicer formatting but much the same limits of understanding the maths.
I mean, it's entirely possible the boy has two mothers. This seems like a perfectly reasonable answer from the model, no?
The text says "When the doctor sees the boy he says"
The doctor is male, and also a parent of the child.