Comment by diggan

15 days ago

Maybe it's because I'm Swedish and we've experienced Russia's "probing defenses" tactic for a very long time (mainly "breaking" into Swedish airspace with airplanes, and discovering submarines at the Swedish shores), but I always thought this was common knowledge, always interesting to learn it isn't for everyone :)

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eric-hu  14 days ago

I lived in Taiwan for a while and China does this to Taiwan often. Flying planes into Taiwan’s air defense identification zone, sailing warships through the strait. It’s portrayed in (US, TW) media as war preparations, but some locals assume it’s all bark with no bite. How are those Russian actions portrayed in Swedish media?

  • chii  14 days ago

    when your enemy cry wolf consistently, you can become complacent and stop being overly alert.

    This conditioning is how you prepare for an actual attack, so that they're not prepared at the actual time of the real attack. It's also why some military exercises near a country is considered provocative, even tho it's "just an exercise".

    Not to mention that it drains resources to respond/monitor these cry-wolf fakes.

lifestyleguru  15 days ago

The situation escalated beyond probing, this is tit for tat response for Ukraine getting and launching US tactical missiles. Russia seems to be now aggressively monitoring and raiding the submarine pipes and cables. Blowing up of Nord Stream made Russia go ballistic.

  • diggan  15 days ago

    > The situation escalated beyond probing

    Not sure we understand "probing" differently. Russian currently is at the edges, testing the responses from things like cutting cables and otherwise interfering with the infrastructure. This is what "probing" means for me. "Beyond probing" would be actually launching attacks one way or another, which we haven't seen yet (except of course, for the Ukraine invasion).

    • onlypassingthru  14 days ago

      > actually launching attacks one way or another, which we haven't seen yet

      On the contrary. The attacks have been ongoing for years now. You're looking for the tanks and missiles when the attack is actually happening right under your feet. Rot and corruption are more powerful than any bullets or missiles.

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    • euroderf  14 days ago

      A next step for them might be to disable/poison something like an entire urban water distribution system. But come to think of it, the US et al. might be able to do the same back to Russia. Because, you see, there is a whole 'nother ladder of escalation to explore.

      A submarine cable is an attractive target for Russia because Russia doesn't have cables of their own exposed: Russia is a continental power, not a maritime alliance. A cable attack is an asymmetric attack, difficult to respond to appropriately.

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    • fsckboy  14 days ago

      >"Beyond probing" would be actually launching attacks one way or another, which we haven't seen yet

      he's saying "this was not a probe, this was an actually launched attack"

  • drtgh  14 days ago

    > Blowing up of Nord Stream made Russia go ballistic

    Russia started invading Ukraine six months before Nord Stream blow up. Previously Russia invaded Crimea in 2014.

    The next invaded country, will be also an escalation?

    All of this is about a few psychopaths filling their pockets with the money that generates the corpses of their criminal business, some encouraging the production of war, others encouraging the waging of war.

    Why are these psychopaths and their "business" not prosecuted?

    • Numerlor  14 days ago

      Because their prosecution means going to war. I don't know about you but as someone living less than 30 minutes from Ukraine I don't want my country to go to war.

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