Comment by wat10000
2 years ago
Or, pertinent to the subject at hand, how the Oklahoma City bombing was tied to the right wing militia movement and they’re still mostly seen as, well, a bunch of white dudes blowing off steam like you said. In that case, it seems like people saw that they got the perpetrators and that’s that, not considering what sort of circumstances produced them and where it might go in the future.
And WTC and OKC were (at least somewhat) successful attacks! J6 caused damage but failed. We’re really bad at taking failed attempts seriously.
A big factor in the OKC, J6, and militia movement and White nationalist violence more generally is that the law enforcement community in the US has very significant overlap with the militia and White nationalist movements, impacting how seriously they are treated by law enforcement, and how seriously they are treated by journalists who rely on experts from within the law enforcement community (both current officers and private experts that are the same people relied on as outside experts by law enforcement and are usually ex-law enforcement) for their understanding of the issues.
If BLM had attempted what J6 actually did, it would have made Kent State look like a Simpson's episode.
Seattle allowed BLM protesters to establish their own “autonomous zone” and ignored it until enough kids were killed.
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“Some of those that work forces…” indeed.
After OKC, the FBI turned the eye of sauron upon the militias. Then 9/11 happened, and white guys in the woods were suddenly less scary than non-white guy and the eye of sauron was no longer looking at the white guys in the woods.
> We’re really bad at taking failed attempts seriously.
To that point, Osama bin Laden had multiple attempts attacking the WTC. They realized that it was going to take a lot more than a car bomb to take down those buildings and made improved plans from a car bomb. Which is just some of the data pointed to by those that are unbelieving that a truck bomb was the sole cause of OKC.
They were also well planned and intentional. J6 seemed much more like spur-of-the-moment mob action, at least from my armchair.
I think your comment is a direct reflection of the lack of popular coverage and discussion of January 6th. It was planned for prior to the election as a contingency. There's clear and direct evidence of that fact and there's very little awareness of that fact.
I think that your comment is a direct reflection of your desire to paint the opposing political side as dangerous in order to gain political favor and power.
It’s still not going to work. When will the left learn that changing peoples mind by lying will not work?
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But it wasn't, I remember seeing people on Facebook talking about J6 before it happened. It's kind of weird to see the minimization of J6 in real time.
There were several organized groups of people among the mob who went prepared for it to go much differently and stoked the flames. I shudder to think what would have happened if they made it to the chamber before the Representatives and Senators got out.
J6 was organized months in advance. The J6 committee went over this in depth.
There were groups with guns and boats ready to resupply an insurgency.
Do you have a credible source that I could read about that? Thank you.
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that's what they wanted it to look like. plenty of evidence aired at the congressional hearings showing this was a highly planned act
The various right-wing groups had been escalating their rhetoric and actions by that time for more than a decade without any meaningful action against it.
Even if it was a spur-of-the-moment mob action, something like that was always coming due to inaction in addressing the increased violence from the different right-wing groups.
didn't timothy mcveigh also say that it was specifically a retaliation for waco?
And Ruby Ridge too, IIRC.
This is in no way a statement support of terrorism but if you simply look at the facts the government showed up at these people’s homes and started shooting. In Waco they killed children by burning them alive and their defense was they didn’t know filling the building with flammable gas would set it on fire. Yes the branch Davidians were stockpiling weapons but at that point they were, to my understanding, legally allowed to own and sell guns. These were tragedies created by the US government on their own citizens.
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I don't think these right wing militias are that much of a threat. They're mostly LARPers and have enough attachment to their groups to not do the radical violence. Historically the right wingers that have actually committed violence are the ones that can't even find belonging in the right wing militias.
They're essentially the US' guerilla forces that we see in other countries that cause foreign forces operating in their land to get stuck in a quagmire. They may not be undefeatable, but they'll be able to put up a helluva show enough to make the opfor to question their commitment. Probably long enough to sway public opinion as well.
Dismiss them at your own peril. The FBI did