Comment by nicholasjarnold

3 days ago

I was assuming that it's a loss-leader sort of business strategy at play before reading your comment. Do you care to share any insights/references to support this claim?

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hipadev23  3 days ago

Nah that’d be a national security crisis.

But the presence of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM well over 10 years ago should be sufficient.

  • nicholasjarnold  3 days ago

    Gotcha. Yeah, I mean all of these platforms are certainly juicy targets for room 641A [0] shenanigans. I just wondered if there had been some public leaks or something which we might not all be aware of yet.

    [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

    • hipadev23  3 days ago

      I'd also point out the following from Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince's wiki page [1]:

      > "Prince co-founded Unspam Technologies, which supported the development of Project Honey Pot [2], an open source data collection software created by Prince and Lee Holloway designed to gather information on IP addresses used by email-address harvesting services."

      > In 2008, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) contacted Unspam Technologies, asking, "Do you have any idea how valuable the data you have is?" The DHS' email served as the impetus for Cloudflare, a technology company Prince co-founded with Holloway and fellow Harvard Business School graduate Michelle Zatlyn the following year

      > The DHS' email served as the impetus for Cloudflare

      Emphasis mine. I love Cloudflare, their tech is amazing, but to bury our heads in the sand that it wasn't started from day one to be a government spying program would be extremely naive.

      [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Prince

      [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Honey_Pot

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    • ceejayoz  3 days ago

      Post Snowden, I think the assumption has to be any large US hosting/service provider is compromised in a similar fashion.