Comment by culi

4 days ago

There's even a whole Wikipedia article dedicated to documenting Israel's decades long support for Hamas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

As a WP editor, the anti-Israeli editors have become a very strong majority, making it a poor source of objective information. For example the first paragraph of the Zionism article now reads: "Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible."

The article you link to essentially boils down to the fact that Qatar funding for some (ostensibly) infrastructure and humanitarian aid projects in Gaza, with Israel facilitating it. It's not really support for Hamas, except in the sense that such Gaza aid projects require the involvement of its government.

  • That sentence you are critical of has 17(!) supporting citations listed.

    • I'm sure you could find 17 citations that Muhammad had sex with underage girls but that's not the first sentence of the Wikipedia article on Muhammad, is it?

      Point being just because something is cited doesn't mean putting it in the first sentence is unbiased.

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https://www.piratewires.com/p/how-wikipedia-s-pro-hamas-edit... - There is even an article that explains exactly how 'a powerful group of editors is hijacking wikipedia, pushing pro-palestinian propaganda, erasing key facts about hamas, and reshaping the narrative around Israel with alarming influence'

  • To be fair, the JIDF has been astroturfing Wikipedia for far longer:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t52LB2fYhoY

    Who knows where the balance actually lies, but it's not just pro-Palestinians doing the propaganda here. Israel has engaged in far more propaganda than pretty much everyone (except maybe the United States) since the hasbara policy was first established following the public image fallout from the Sabra and Shatila massacre.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

    • i think the key passage of this article is when they discuss the shortcomings of the wikipedia arbitration process (Arbcom) - however the wikimedia foundation is not exactly short on cash.

      '''The charges are serious, and the evidence backing them up abundant. Nevertheless, seven months later the Arbcom case is still pending. The reason is systemic: in a lengthy request for arbitration on a separate PIA case, one of Wikipedia’s arbitrators noted that the final decision-making panel is staffed by 12 volunteers, only 10 of whom are active. “It is clear that AE [arbitration enforcement] has run out of steam to handle the morass of editor conduct issues in PIA,” the arbitrator wrote. “PIA is a Gordian knot; and AE has run short of knot detanglers.”

      Electing more Arbcom members would require a massive overhaul of the site’s governing regulations, a task akin to the US government amending its constitution. And though Wikimedia Foundation, which owns the site, has around $500 million in assets, because of the air-gap between Wikipedia and WMF and the volunteer ethos of Wikipedia’s mission not a penny can be used to hire people to oversee contentious topics.'''

  • >In the article on “Jews,” for example, he removed the “Land of Israel” from a key sentence on the origin of Jewish people. He changed the article’s short description (a condensed summary that appears on Wikipedia’s mobile version and on site search results) from “Ethnoreligious group and nation from the Levant” to “Ethnoreligious group and cultural community.” Though subtle

    It's pretty evident that the person who wrote your article is just complaining that wikipedia is at least somewhat resistant to being used as a platform for pushing zionist propaganda.

    • >It's pretty evident that the person who wrote your article is just complaining that wikipedia is at least somewhat resistant to being used as a platform for pushing zionist propaganda.

      you violated NPOV

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