Comment by jazzyjackson
4 days ago
I’m sure the people of Israel would have loved to maintain ties with their homeland but they have been run out of Europe and the Middle East. so where is this Jewish homeland that the colonists in Israel are maintaining ties to?
I don’t know that I see a particular difference between ideas and semantics when the assertion is “Israel is a European colonialist project”
There are some great answers in r/askhistorians
Here is one : https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/17ika73/why_...
Read it and you get a much more nuanced idea of the topic.
> I’m sure the people of Israel would have loved to maintain ties with their homeland but they have been run out of Europe and the Middle East. so where is this Jewish homeland that the colonists in Israel are maintaining ties to?
Much better.
I personally wouldn’t call Israel a European colonization effort. I don’t think Jews really had a homeland per se. AFAIK they were a nation without any land. It seemed like Israel was part reparations for the holocaust and part installing a strategic ally in the Middle East.
Maybe that’s a thin line.
I can absolutely see how someone could make that argument, though, when framed like this:
A fairly western style country, funded by wealthy western countries, taking and keeping hold of some land in a very not western style part of the world.
The IDF has been entirely dependent on US and European armaments and funds for all of its battles, with the only exception being the '47 independence war. Since then, Israel has been a Western military-industrial client state. The current genocide is entirely funded by the US.
It seems foolish, because giving the defense industry a free subsidy via Israel annoys our Arab oil suppliers and our oil companies, but there must be enough corporate welfare to go around because the defense companies and the oil companies haven't gone to war with each other directly, yet.
> I’m sure the people of Israel would have loved to maintain ties with their homeland
Oh yeah, there's definitely no ties between the two. EU states definitely didn't send 1.76 billion euros ($1.9bn) (in arms) to Israel in exchange for the "security" Israel offers. /s
But also
> Israel is a society of immigrants and their offspring: 23 percent of the Jewish majority as of 2018 was foreign born, 32 percent was comprised of the second generation (Israeli born to immigrant parents), and 47 percent was third generation (Israeli born to Israeli-born parents).
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/israel-law-of-return...
So like... not only does Israel have ties with it's "mother country" but even the Israelis themselves do have ties to their own personal homelands.
In Sweden, 21% of the population is foreign born. 35% is second generation. The department for statistics did not publish numbers for third generation. The wast majority of immigration are done for economical causes.
Those numbers are to my knowledge fairly similar in many other European countries.
> 23 percent of the Jewish majority as of 2018 was foreign born
You know what population is usually foreign born? Refugees!
> even the Israelis themselves do have ties to their own personal homelands.
What ties do Yemenite Jews who fled to Israel have to a Yemen that is ruled by the Houthis, an almost comically Nazi-like group whose flag literally has "a curse on the Jews" written on it in big letters?
These people are refugees, not "colonists"
Do you have any evidence that a large percentage of that population is refugees?
What was Yaakov Fauci fleeing from?
> These people are refugees, not "colonists"
Many settlers in America were fleeing religious prosecution in Britain, that doesn't make them not colonizers.
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