Comment by klipt
4 days ago
> Do you have any evidence that a large percentage of that population is refugees?
Have you not heard of the Holocaust? The majority of Israelis descend either from refugees from Europe (Ashkenazim), or refugees from Arab/Muslim countries (Mizrahim) whose homes were stolen by Europeans or Arabs, respectively.
> What was Yaakov Fauci fleeing from?
American born Israelis are a small minority.
> Many settlers in America were fleeing religious prosecution in Britain, that doesn't make them not colonizers.
So if a Palestinian from Gaza gets asylum in the US, does that make that Palestinian a colonizer of Native American land?
1) I gave you hard data, I don't count "You don't remember the holocaust" as hard data.
2) Prove it. Give me data not just your opinion.
3) Not really and I fail to see how this is even important. The US is not engaging in active colonization, it has fully colonized the US. You could even argue we've moved in the direction of decolonization by giving back some land to the indigenous population.
Can we agree an American-Israel dual citizen stealing the house someone is currently living in is different than someone fleeing ethnic cleansing?
Like if the US invades Greenland and that Palestinian fled to America and then participated in the colonization then yes they would be a colonizer.
The flip side of this double hypothetical is that Israel is actively building illegal settlements on Palestinian land so anyone who immigrates and isn't under legitimate duress to do so is a colonizer.
> The US is not engaging in active colonization, it has fully colonized the US.
The history lesson here is that if Israel were to just finish colonizing the territory and completely subjugating any opposition, like the US did, they will win in the long run. Meaning, the settlers are right, if not in moral terms, then in practical terms.
The US may pay lip service to indigenous land rights in flyover country, but nothing suggests it would consider handing over control of huge swathes of strategically critical territory to a hostile group of natives. That idea would be laughable, yet it is pretty much what many people believe Israel should do.