Comment by ttul

17 hours ago

FWIW: OpenAI provides advice on how to prompt o1 (https://platform.openai.com/docs/guides/reasoning/advice-on-...). Their first bit of advice is to, “Keep prompts simple and direct: The models excel at understanding and responding to brief, clear instructions without the need for extensive guidance.”

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jmcdonald-ut  16 hours ago

The article links out to OpenAI's advice on prompting, but it also claims:

    OpenAI does publish advice on prompting o1, 
    but we find it incomplete, and in a sense you can
    view this article as a “Missing Manual” to lived
    experience using o1 and o1 pro in practice.

To that end, the article does seem to contradict some of the advice OpenAI gives. E.g., the article recommends stuffing the model with as much context as possible... while OpenAI's docs note to include only the most relevant information to prevent the model from overcomplicating its response.

I haven't used o1 enough to have my own opinion.

  • irthomasthomas  15 hours ago

    Those are contradictory. Openai claim that you don't need a manual, since O1 performs best with simple prompts. The author claims it performs better with more complex prompts, but provides no evidence.

    • orf  14 hours ago

      In case you missed it

          OpenAI does publish advice on prompting o1, 
    but we find it incomplete, and in a sense you can
    view this article as a “Missing Manual” to lived
    experience using o1 and o1 pro in practice.

      The last line is important

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yzydserd  16 hours ago

I think there is a distinction between “instructions”, “guidance” and “knowledge/context”. I tend to provide o1 pro with a LOT of knowledge/context, a simple instruction, and no guidance. I think TFA is advocating same.

3abiton  16 hours ago

But the way they did their PR for O1 made it sound like it was the next step, while in reality it was a side step. A branching from the current direction towards AGI.