Comment by MyFirstSass

3 months ago

Exactly, how about the much more relevant ethnic cleansing (according to the UN), with upwards of 30.000 women and children killed in Palestine perpetrated by Israel and Supported by the US right in this moment?

Or the myriad of american wars that slaughtered millions in South America, Asia or the Middleeast for that sake.

Both the US and China are empires and abide by brutal empire logic that washes their own history. These "but Tiananmen square" posts are grotesque to me as a europeean when coming from americans. Absolutely grotesque seen in the hyperviolent history of US foreign policy.

Both are of course horrible.

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linkregister  3 months ago

Virtually all countries within the European continent have been perpetrators of colonialism and genocide in the past 4 centuries, several in the last 90 years, and a few in the last 20 years. It is a banal observation.

The reason why the string "tiananmen" is so frequently invoked is that it is a convenient litmus test for censorship/alignment/whatever-your-preferred-term by applications that must meet Chinese government regulations. There is no equivalent universal string that will cause applications to immediately error out in applications hosted in the EU or the US. Of course each US-hosted application has its own prohibited phrases or topics, but it is simple and convenient to use a single string for output filtering when testing.

ToucanLoucan  3 months ago

You'd be hard pressed to find any global power at this point that doesn't have some kind of human atrocity or another in it's backstory. Not saying that makes these posts okay, I fucking hate them too. Every time China farts on the global stage it invites pages upon pages of jingoistic Murican chest-beating as we're actively financing a genocide right now.

  • insane_dreamer  3 months ago

    This is for 2 reasons: 1) these are not just China's "backstory" but very much part of its present modus operandi; and 2) China tightly censors the flow of information domestically (GFW, control of all traditional and social media companies, etc.) in order to prevent any public discussion of these atrocities. As such they hardly enter the social consciousness at all or at most in very limited fashion (some offline discussion between close family, friends).

    The US has done a lot of fucked up shit (slavery, genocide of Native Americans, just to mention the two most egregious), but at least we can now call out those evils, there can be discussion, calls for reparations, and an awareness so that it never happens again. Germany and Nazism is another good example.

    • sudosysgen  3 months ago

      The American president just today proposed to do ethnic cleansing, and almost no American media outlet deigned to mention what it was. The US has been complicit in multiple genocides in the past 50 years, such atrocities are very much not just backstory and certainly are a present modus operandi as well. They've only even been backstory within living memory - they used to be inspirational stories.

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    • suraci  3 months ago

      > but at least... so that it never happens again

      lmao, you just got the 2rd of Donald Trump

      sure, 4 years later everything will be corrected

      then sponsor another genocide or start another war with another lie

      and after another 4 year another orange prisident arrive to correct everything

      and another war

      but at least

suraci  3 months ago

> Both the US and China are empires

- who told you this

- credible sources(3-letters)

lol, still don't understand why americans still believe these shit after all things happened in all these years

i mean, all these photos and videos pictured in gaza, but it's debatable whether isreal is commiting genocide in gaza

but tiananmen massacre? it's so real bacause there're only photos of a tankman and some bicycles, ah, of course, therein are "evidence" by color revolution leaders, which, coincidentally, connected with US agencies

even one of them admitted they're lied about this

https://youtu.be/VSR9zgY1QgU?si=yp2wXnIv4Z7MVHY4

https://youtu.be/27T63QNLpqg?si=mxsqvyDKYm8KzqQ6

there'sa saying, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me

but fool me at kosovo, then at iraq, then syria, then bucha, then xinjiang

so i'll say, americans are not fooled, americans know these're lies clearly, americans just pretend to not