Comment by otabdeveloper4

3 months ago

> Systemd is the last init linux will have

I'm fine with that.

> and increases the barrier to port software to other unix-likes.

Don't care about "other Unix-likes", and in fact I wish they didn't exist.

> The non-optional/default features have been buggy and difficult to replace.

Let's not pretend as if the pre-systemd crap wasn't even more buggy.

> The overreliance on dbus turns the “the unix philosophy” ;) away. Text as a universal communication medium, everything is a file, etc.

Dbus is a text-based protocol based on files though. What a silly complaint.

P.S. Dbus sucks, but thankfully it would be pretty easy to replace in systemd if somebody got sick enough of dbus.

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Brian_K_White  3 months ago

So you don't care about anyone else. How noble. Why then should anyone care about you or your opinions or deep thoughts?

  • growse  3 months ago

    They're not the one whining about how systemd's stolen the "good old days".

    As they say: working code or gtfo. Complaining about someone else's software project is so passé. No-one's forcing anyone to use systemd, Linux, or a computer.

    • Brian_K_White  3 months ago

      They are doing something inexcusably worse than complaining about something bad that happened to them.

      What you right here just did, was exactly whining and complaining, except not even about anything that happened to you or that you have to deal with.

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dijit  3 months ago

When comparing systemd to things, I find it more fruitful to compare it to something like SMF, which actually does the things people wanted systemd to do:

* socket activation

* dependency management of startup

* log control

* service supervision.

Except, it did so by interfacing with the operating system in its native language, for example: log files were text.

It is not useful to complain about bash scripts, the original design of init was indeed dated and you’d be hard pressed to find people who don’t think so; so its an invalid point to make in this discussion.

  • otabdeveloper4  3 months ago

    If SMF was any good we'd be actually using it instead of systemd.

    • dijit  3 months ago

      We don’t use SMF for the same reasons we didn’t have ZFS on linux for so long, worries about the CDDL license and how it integrates.

      I’m also not saying we should have ported SMF, one complaint I have about it is that it was a product of its time and used XML (much like launchd on macos, which is actually another supervising init btw ;D).

      However taking inspiration would have been good, instead of creating software that appears like it belongs on a Windows/DOS based operating system rather than a unix-like.