Comment by skyyler
3 months ago
You're arguing with parent assuming that they've equated the brutality of these actions.
>According to you, it seems that if you make a bad decision, it's better to try to hide that bad decision from everyone, rather than confront it and do better.
They didn't say that at all. Consider reading their comment with more contemplative thought.
> assuming that they've equated the brutality of these actions
No, they aren't. They're correctly pointing out that "yet nothing changes" is factually incorrect. There was a political response pursued, in part, through an independent judiciary. And then thing that happened hasn't happened again.
In China, there was no inquiry. There are no courts. And Xi has cracked down in Hong Kong almost as badly as Deng did in Tiananmen.
No, I am not assuming they equated the brutality. Please feel free to make a specific point instead of just saying "You read it poorly".
OP finished their post with:
> Meanwhile, I can ask ChatGPT, "Tell me about the MOVE bombing of 1985," and get a detailed answer, yet nothing changes. Here in the US, we don’t even hold onto the hope that knowing the truth could make a difference. Unlike the Chinese, we're hopeless.
Everything I wrote in my post was in reference to this point.
"yet nothing changes" -> "How many other times after the move bombing did a city bomb out violent criminals in a densely packed neighborhood?"
"we don’t even hold onto the hope that knowing the truth could make a difference" -> I listed all of the actions that went from "knowing the truth" to "making a difference". Would any of those things have happened if knowledge of the events was suppressed among the population, in the manner that Tiananmen square was?
>"yet nothing changes" -> "How many other times after the move bombing did a city bomb out violent criminals in a densely packed neighborhood?"
How many times since 1989 has the chinese communist party rolled tanks over a crowded city square during a student protest in Beijing's main square?
I can tell what you're doing here and I think I'll refuse to engage.
Have a nice weekend.
That's hard to tell. How would even know if the system is good enough at censoring? How many things have happened in Tibet or Xinjiang that we have no idea of?What would our understanding of Tiananmen square have been if a few western reporters weren't present for the events?
"There was a protest and everyone was told to go home"
Yes, it should be pretty clear what I'm doing: pushing back that on the idea that a heavily censored society is actually healthier than an uncensored or less censored one.
> How many times since 1989 has the chinese communist party rolled tanks over a crowded city square during a student protest in Beijing's main square
Uh, Hong Kong [1][2].
Also, in case you're being serious, the problem in Tiananmen wasn't tanks rolling into the city. It was the Army gunning down children [3].
[1] https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/disappearing-children-of-h...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causeway_Bay_Books_disappearan...
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests...
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