Comment by singhrac
5 months ago
What is the model I get at gemini.google.com (i.e. through my Workspace subscription)? It says "Gemini Advanced" but there are no other details. No model selection option.
I find the lack of clarity very frustrating. If I want to try Google's "best" model, should I be purchasing something? AI Studio seems focused around building an LLM wrapper app, but I just want something to answer my questions.
Edit: what I've learned through Googling: (1) if you search "is gemini advanced included with workspace" you get an AI overview answer that seems to be incorrect, since they now include Gemini Advanced (?) with every workspace subscription.(2) a page exists telling you to buy the add-on (Gemini for Google Workspace), but clicking on it says this is no longer available because of the above. (3) gemini.google.com says "Gemini Advanced" (no idea which model) at the top, but gemini.google.com/advanced redirects me to what I have deduced is the consumer site (?) which tells me that Gemini Advanced is another $20/month
The problem, Google PMs if you're reading this, is that the gemini.google.com page does not have ANY information about what is going on. What model is this? What are the limits? Do I get access to "Deep Research"? Does this subscription give me something in aistudio? What about code artifacts? The settings option tells me I can change to dark mode (thanks!).
Edit 2: I decided to use aistudio.google.com since it has a dropdown for me on my workspace plan.
changes must be rolling out now, I can see 3 Gemini 2.0 models in the dropdown, with blue "new" badges.
screenshot: https://beeimg.com/images/g25051981724.png
This works on my personal Google account, but not on my workspace one. So I guess there's no access to 2.0 Pro then? I'm ok trying out Flash for now and see if it fixes the mistakes I ran into yesterday.
Edit: it does not. It continues to miss the fact that I'm (incorrectly) passing in a scaled query tensor to scaled_dot_product_attention. o3-mini-high gets this right.
As someone with over a decade of Google Apps management history, my experiences is Workspace customers are practically always the last to get the shiny new features. Quite frustrating.
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If you subscribe to Gemini the menu looks like this, with the addition of 2.0 Pro.
https://imgur.com/a/xZ7hzag
It doesn't for workspace users. No dropdown appears.
This is funny how bad UI is on some of websites which are considered the best. Today I tried to find prices for Mistral models but I couldn’t. Their prices page leads to 404…
Just in case you're still interested in their pricing, it's towards the bottom of [1], section "How to buy", when changing the selection from "Self-hosted" to "Mistral Cloud".
[1] https://mistral.ai/en/products/la-plateforme
if only these models were good at web development and could be used in agentic frameworks to build high quality website... wait...
They aren’t.
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> you get an AI overview answer that seems to be incorrect
It seems AI cannot yet defeat the obfuscation of its own product managers. Great advert for AI, that.
Google workspace is always such a mess. I also have Google workspace, and it did let me do some chatting in the Gemini app few days ago. No idea what model, and of course there was no dropdown.
Just today I wanted to continue a conversation from two days ago, and after writing to the chat, I just get back an error “This chat was created with Gemini Advanced. Get it now to continue this chat.” And I don’t even know if that’s a bug, or some expected sales funnel where they gave me a nibble of it for free and now want me to pay up.
The number one reason I don't use Google Gemini is because they truncate the input text. So I can't simply paste long documents or other kinds of things as raw text in the prompt box.
If you have the need to paste long documents, why don't you just upload the file at that point?
The last time I checked (a few days ago) it only had an "Upload Image" option... and I have been playing with Gemini on and off for months and I have never been able to actually upload an image.
It's basically what I've come to expect from most Google products at this point: half-baked, buggy, confusing, not intuitive.
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Because sometimes the text is the result of my whisper transcription.
Friction.
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Today I wasted 1 hour looking in how to use or where to find "Deep Research”.
I could not. I have the business workplace standard, which contains the Gemini advance, not sure whether I need a VPN, pay a separate AI product, or even pay a higher workplace tier or what the heck is going on at all.
There are so many confusing products interrelated and lack of focus everywhere that I really do not know anymore whether it is worth as an AI provider.
You need to pay for Gemini to access it. In my experience, it's not worth it. So much potential in the experience, but the AI isn't good enough.
I'm curious about the OpenAI alternative, but am not willing to pay $200/month.
Deep research in chatgpt pro is nice. It’ll go fetch api docs (and github examples) and make your code more correct.
Saved me the headache of manually going thru pages of doc
if it would make whole market research on products and companies I would gladly pay for it... but a bit unsure from Europe where it seems to be everything restricted due political boundaries.
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Similar feeling with Gemini g suite integration
Plus one on this it's so stupid, but also mandatory in a way. Sigh
hmm did you try clickin where it says 'gemini advanced'? I find it opens a drop down
I just tried it but nothing happens when I click on that. You're talking about the thing on the upper left next to the open/close menu button?
Yes, very frustrating for me as well. I consider now purchasing Gemini Advance with another Non-Workspace account. :-(
I also found this [1]: “ Important:
A chat can only use one model. If you switch between models in an existing chat, it automatically starts a new chat. If you’re using Gemini Apps with a work or school Google Account, you can’t switch between models. Learn more about using Gemini Apps with a work or school account.”
I have no idea why the workspace accounts are such restricted.
[1] https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/14517446?hl=en&co=G...
"what model are you using, exact name please" is usually the first prompt I enter when trying out something.
Gemini 2.0 Flash Thinking responds with
> I am currently running on the Gemini model.
Gemini 1.5 Flash responds with
> I'm using Gemini 2.0 Flash.
I'm not even going to go on a limb here and say that question isn't going to give you an accurate response.
Yeah, they need something in their system prompt to tell their name or else they have absolutely no idea what they are and will hallucinate to 100% based on training data. If you're lucky, the AI just might guess right based on these circumstances.
It's not unusual for AI's to think they're OpenAI/ChatGPT because it's become so popular that it's leaked into the buzz it's trained on.
You'd think they would include this kind of detail in the training set, but it gets overlooked.
You'd be surprised at how confused some models are about who they are.
Indeed, asking the model which model it is might be one of the worst ways to find that information out