Comment by Ygg2

10 months ago

This isn't an Apple issue. Maybe Linux on Apple is inherently more problematic, but the issue here came from Linux maintainers hostility towards Rust.

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superkuh  10 months ago

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  • Ygg2  10 months ago

    > Did you read the article?

    Did you read the rest of it?

    Sure Apple being not as great to develop drivers, but ~99% of the article is about displeasure working with Linux maintainers.

    EDIT: Here is the breakdown by paragraphs.

        | Paragraph # | Tone                                                                       |
    | ----------- | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
    | 1           | History recap                                                              |
    | 2           | History recap                                                              |
    | 3           | mentions Apple and M1 in positive light.                                   |
    | 4           | Mostly positive, slight negative towards Apple not being having good docs. |
    | 5           | Negative Linux kernel development (upstreaming)                            |
    | 6           | Negative user focused                                                      |
    | 7           | Negative user focused, complaints about M3/M4 support.                     |
    | 8           | Negative user reviews                                                      |
    | 9           | Money troubles regarding support.                                          |
    | 10          | Linux maintainers, mostly negative                                         |
    | 11          | Unknown 2024 event                                                         |
    | 12          | Negative about users (demanding more features and support)                 |
    | 13          | Stress about Kernel development                                            |
    | 14          | Negative about Linux kernel development roadblock                          |
    | 15          | Negative about Linux kernel development (Linus leadership failures)        |
    | 16          | Positive about Rust                                                        |
    | 17          | Negative about Linux kernel development (Why Rust can't wait)              |
    | 18          | Negative about Linux kernel development (downstreaming)                    |
    | 19          | Negative about Linux maintainer (thin blue line)                           |
    | 20          | Negative about Linux kernel maintainers (two faced)                        |
    | 21          | Negative about Linux kernel maintainers                                    |
    | 22          | Negative about Linux (disapointment in refusing invitation) and Linus      |
    | 23          | Negative about Linux maintainers (being corporate)                         |
    | 24          | Negative about Asahi, and dreading to turn on Apple                        |
    | 25          | Negative about burnout                                                     |
    | 26          | Resignation                                                                |
    | 27          | Positive about Asahi Linux team                                            |
    | 28          | Hiring proposition.                                                        |

    18 negative paragraphs 2 about Apple (11%) 4 about users (22%) 12 about Linux/Linus/Maintainers (67%)

    I was wrong about it being 99% about LKM but it's more accurate than saying 50% of issues are Apple.

    • superkuh  10 months ago

      All those "Negative user focused" are actually "Apple proprietary problems" (problems that exist only on apple because of their weird proprietary stuff with no standards following, ie, getting temp on any other system is dead simple). Not sure if you actually believe in your list or you just used an AI that made the mistake.

      I counted paragraphs topics myself: History (3), Proprietary Hardware Problems (8), Kernel/Rust problems (8), Other/Quitting (7). Could be off by one or two because I'm not a machine.

      Also, I note that you did not disagree with or object to my initial response (the one made before your edit) that it is indeed halfway down the page before rust/kernel stuff is even mentioned.

      I think it is safe to say that both Apple and the kernel/rust issues matter here and trying to derail any discussion of Apple's role into even more rust ragebait threads in a HN topic full of them is counterproductive.

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