Comment by Arkhaine_kupo
4 months ago
> I've followed him closely since ~2016 so I can say this with some conviction.
Its sad that you fell for it then. Read Phillip Long's post on him, not someone who follows him but someone who has worked with him for years. It should be eye opening in the kind of man he is.
There will be no Mars terraforming, his goal is being the worlds first trillionaire. The emperor has no clothes, the companies run despite him not because of him and the cult of personality only appeals to people who somehow still fall for it.
Thanks, I think I know him pretty much as there is to know. People will try to shoot him down and project their own demons on him. He's an actual maverick who provably has lead his technological companies to success as a Technological lead.
Here's a take by people who have had actual direct contact with him. https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/eviden...
The arguments against his capability to lead cross-field technical operations should be disproven by his successes that he has proven several times in sequence. The argument of him being a fraud is basically hinging on him rolling d20 several times in a row, and only acceptable to those not knowing his personality and attributing his actions to malice (through self-projection of the viewer). Philip's arguments tell as much.
He's done plenty enemies while at it! Wouldn't really expect anything else being as disruptive as raw autism in fixing the species might be. They'll fade.
> I know him pretty much as there is to know.
Reading puff pieces online is not the way to know a man. He spends money on his PR and you are swallowing it.
> Here's a take by people who have had actual direct contact with him. https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/eviden...
The first guy has no concrete examples of Elon choices being against his engineering team recommendations and the last quote about "getting his hands dirty with epoxy" is rehased "and he was there clearing the roadblocks" that train and oil barons would say when something went wrong in their mines.
Like how is the same advertising tactics that worked in 1900 when the US had a literacy rate of below 12% working on you now?
> The arguments against his capability to lead cross-field technical operations should be disproven by his successes that he has proven several times in sequence.
Most of those companies have been bailed out by goverment contacts. That is not an ability to lead a team but an ability to win goverment contracts. This is proven by the fact he literally bought the US election in front of the entire world.
His venturesoutside of already fully financed goverment programs liek space, and EV tech remain huge failures. Boring company, neuralink and Twitter are all abject failures if you look at them from a prespective that isnt "Elon will somehow make it work".
> Philip's arguments tell as much.
Phillip has not only worked side by side with him for years, but invested millions in his ventures. He has more at stake than anyone in those interviews which some are over a decade old and all have interests that align with Elon (either work for him, or are writting a book and need access)
> Wouldn't really expect anything else being as disruptive as raw autism in fixing the species might be.
Fixing the species? The dude has a weird breeding hyperfixation, is autistic, is positively demonstrably short sighted (cutting Lidar out of tesla, saying mars boots before 2020, pushing the fda tests for neuralink).
His best bet to improve the species would be removing himself from the pool, and yet he keeps paying for tube babies with crazy women to polute it further.
What you just wrote reads like bad LLM output. I read very little "puff pieces". Instead I've followed him and directly what he says for about the last 8 years. And I've seen how the media has turned against him, and him doing mostly the same things he did before is now somehow bad.
Nah. He's the same man. And every common argument against him is so easily shot down. But you don't seem to care and act like a flat earther, given my first link shoots your "counter-argument" down given it's about people you as a HN reader should know saying that the praise said about him is just quite simply true.
>Most of those companies have been bailed out by goverment contacts. To be devil'ls (yours) advocate, NASA did save SpaceX. But. NASA is one of the very few agencies that could hire SpaceX, especially due to things like ITAR. But it is obvious to anyone that SpaceX has always more than deserved those contracts, delivering value that is about 20x as high when compared to NASA's own efforts in cost to orbit, a figure that is bound to go 100x with Starship which is progressing not unlike Falcon 9 which is by far the most successful and most used launch system in the US, and the world.
Tesla benefits from selling some carbon credits yes. Which is by design. Remember that they were THE guys who managed to turn EV's from compromises to cars that can surpass ICE's. Actual good cars instead of inferior hippie mobiles like the G-whiz. Tesla operates in a system that anyone would call very capitalistic and succeeds well, doing its own technology, great products that don't even need advertising to sell, and being one of the most looked after employers by high achievers.
>Boring company, neuralink and Twitter are all abject failures You saying Neuralink is a failure is not just a failure in your humanity but proves your abject ignorance, given it has basically saved a person, giving him his agency back. And you shouting about "puff news pieces" LOL. Kiddo you're losing any sense of believability left. Boring company is being succesfully boring in all aspects. Slow work, but succeeding. Twitter is dead yes, X is the successor who manages to be better with 20% the employees. Use it everyday while Twitter was a censorious hellhole. On X you can say what you want without being systematically censored, something that I not just heard from, but saw personally before.
>breeding hyperfixation
That is not what I was talking about but proves you don't understand the slightest about biology. Not making enough kids makes humanity die, that is just math. Fixing the species means getting humanity back on track to what we were crudely approximately doing till ~2010 after which the western society started getting very self destructive while authoritarian governments rise in power with technology. I think there absolutely is a way to win this without losing ourselves.
>removing himself from the pool
How about you start with yourself given you've contributed absolutely nothing but hate, misinformation and overall sense of envy.
For people that actually care (unlike arkhaine here): https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2024/01/02/elon-musk-is-n...
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