Comment by Mindwipe

9 months ago

This isn't a decent defence, it's a losing desperate one.

Meta's real (nigh invincible) defence is 'we have way more money than you and can keep this going forever'.

  • Money doesn’t keep it going forever, only about 2-4 years, even with appeals

    That’s enough to bankrupt individuals but industries fighting industries can see it to the end, if they don’t settle

They can just bribe the president.

  • Maybe Trump will legalise internet-based copying.

    After all, the main people hurt would be Hollywood, which is run by people supporting the Democrats. And it would be popular with many voters (not an issue for Trump but it is for Republicans).

  • Probably no need. Elon Musk already did that. And one of his companies just published a shiny new version of grok. I wonder where they get their training material. I'm sure it's all just tweets and no stashes of ebooks or other material got downloaded in some way or otherwise fell of the proverbial wagon.

    Historically, copyright cases fell in favor of big media corporations based on the notion that they were very rich and powerful and could fight things endlessly, bribe/lobby politicians, and cause laws to be changed (e.g. the DMCA).

    However, AI companies are wealthier still. Some have revenues exceeding the GDPs of most countries. Surely, rich enough to outright buy out some of these media companies. At which point it would stop being copyright infringement because they'd own the copyrights. I'm sure some other arrangement will be found that is less mutually disruptive than a lot of court cases. Both sides are making too much money for anything else to happen. Forget about small book publishers making much of a difference here.

    • > Probably no need. Elon Musk already did that. And one of his companies just published a shiny new version of grok.

      Trump could make Grok, Facebook, Google and OpenAI's actions legal in response to a bribe from Musk.

      Or he could step up enforcement actions against Facebook, Google and OpenAI while issuing a pardon to Grok.

As the richest man on Earth, with multiple investigations into him by various government agencies shown us, nothing is desperate with billions of dollars "in the bank".

At some point I expect we'll see the "shareholders made me do it" defense. You know, the fiduciary-duty-to-keep-making-billions-regardless defense.