Comment by declan_roberts

1 day ago

I don't get what's happening to civil liberty in Europe.

We can drink alcohol in outdoor public places, can Americans?

  • The problem is the decline. We had more liberties 10 years ago than we do today.

    Whether Americans are free or unfree shouldn’t distract us from this.

  • This is specific to each municipality/state. The United States federally has no laws regarding the outdoor consumption of alcohol.

The empire is collapsing, so the chairs are being moved aside, the curtain behind the stage is being drawn and the ugly brick wall is being exposed...

Pot, meet kettle!

Frankly, our democracies are currently in a rather precarious state.

This was Brexits doing. As we are no longer EU, we have our own cool rules such as the upcoming PM allowed to watch me take a piss law.

  • The EU is currently planning exactly the same thing with Chat Control.

    • Eu isnt 'planning' anything like that. Some Euparl MPs backed by people like Ashton Kutcher tried to push a law to spy on all chat apps. Then when the dirty web of American-style regulatory manipulation was exposed, they backed off. It was a proposal for a law by some MPs. Not something 'Eu' did.

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    • What EU is planning with chat control is much worse. The UK still requires a warrant to access your iCloud data. EU wants to force companies to install spyware on your devices that will monitor whatever you send or receive in real time without any probable cause or suspicion.

Nothing is happening to it. Governmental overreach, and then if people really want encryption they will vote in privacy-friendly officials. Here in Oregon, USA, we have Ron Wyden, who knows more about netsec than most IT graduates.

As long as you can vote there is still civil liberty, just vote for the right people who care about this stuff.

  • None of what you just said translates to any European country.

    None.

    Executive power is very representative, not direct, with the sole exception imo being Switzerland?