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Comment by TheSpiceIsLife

2 days ago

Reciprocal action gives the enemy plenty of reason to escalate.

It seems to me that Russia found a reason to escalate whenever it wanted anyway.

If else, Russians see any restraint by the enemy as a sign of weakness and an excuse to escalate even more.

“You probe with bayonets: if you find mush, you push. If you find steel, you withdraw” ― Vladimir Ilich Lenin

So doing nothing causes escalation and reciprocal action causes escalation.

What’s the answer?

  • If that's actually the framework, then you need to respond not reciprocally or in kind or 'tit for tat', but to overwhelm. Speed, surprise, and violence (literal or metaphorical) of action.

  • The answer is fairly obvious, but it doesn’t sound nice, and mentioning it on this forum is forbidden as far as I understand.

Lack of reciprocal action is called self deterrence. Or in simpler words, it's what happens when you keep doing what the bully at school asks you to do, more and more, because he could escalate, even if you are as strong as him or stronger.

  • Poor metaphor. Retaliation in this case means that in a short time all of the cables are cut and subsea cabling comes to an end.

    • That's one possibility, but another is that they're deterred. Suddenly doing the bad thing hurts, so there's a good chance you'll go find some other person to pick on.

      But of course you can't /know/ the outcome beforehand, which is what makes it a high-stakes game. The only thing you know is that if you keep doing nothing they'll have no reason to stop.

    • No, there is a VAST menu of effective retaliation or response measures. The response absolutely does NOT need to be exactly in kind or 1:1.

      The key is that the measure must cost the aggressor more than they gain, and of course be reasonably proportional.

      Plus, even if we stick to your irrelevant requirement, response is better. It is less bad to have no subsea cabling for everyone vs making no response and ending up with only the aggressors having subsea cabling.

It does NOT give them reason

It may give them pretext

But when they want to escalate, any convenient pretext they can fabricate will be spewed out

Appeasement ONLY encourages aggressors. They can ignore any statements and rhetoric and correctly conclude: "I did X, no real consequences, therefore I can do more X".

The ONLY language they understand is force or consequences with real cost to them. Vladimir Lenin said it very clearly:

>>"We probe with bayonets. Where we find steel we withdraw, where we find mush we press on."

When delaying reciprocal action, the cost for the next round ALWAYS increases.

Delaying response is a fools' game.

Democracies always play that fools' game because for any one politician, it is easier to kick the can down the road with bad reasoning like you posted.

But when the situation finally becomes unavoidable, it is a deep serious problem. Here we are.

  • Really sounds like you’re quoting from Mein Kampf

    • Hmm. Although I've never read that tome, it would not surprise me to find he expresses similar strategies.

      It's really just the Imperialist Autocrats' standard playbook, and it is little different from the schoolyard bully — "What's mine is mine, and what's yours is up for grabs".

      They all just keep aggressing until they get hurt, then they find someone else to harass and steal from.