Comment by AlgebraFox

4 months ago

That works for nerds like us. But my sister or my non tech friends don't have knowledge to self host. It is like asking a person to do a surgery on themselves when they don't have medical knowledge. E2E services are very crucial for such normal people.

How long do you think for governments to make it illegal to self host or backdoor Linux builds? They have already went too far by just asking backdoor to data of every single person on the planet. We should oppose such unethical laws rather than finding workarounds.

> How long do you think for governments to make it illegal to self host or backdoor Linux builds?

Probably never, it won't be worth the trouble because it's always going to be a fringe thing for the reasons you say :). One can hope anyways.

Also, if the government decides I'm a baddie, they can always just show probable cause to a judge and come physically get my hardware, so they have a more traditional path there to handle weirdos like me already :).

FWIW, I agree completely strong encryption in SAAS is necessary for privacy. But pragmatically, there's little hope laws like this won't eventually take root in more places. So the statement stands irregardless of the challenges: the cloud is just someone else's computer.

One final note: I don't think E2E means what most people think it means unfortunately - lots of companies imply that you're the only one with access to the encryption keys when E2E is on, but if you read the fine print, it often really just says is the data is encrypted in flight, not what the policy is for protecting the data on the other "end."

This is the awesome thing about ADP - they spell out the full policy in glorious detail.