Comment by NoImmatureAdHom

5 days ago

HAMAS is a designated terrorist organization. It is the U.S. government's job to keep out foreigners who overtly do things like support terrorist organizations, do human trafficking, etc.

It's quite simple, IMHO, and not a free speech issue. Americans don't owe entry to everyone who shows up at their borders, nor do they owe them a full suite of rights and legal protections once they're admitted.

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snapcaster  5 days ago

Do you really believe that most of the people being deported or imprisoned by ICE this year are truly supporters of terrorism? Since no due process is being followed what gives you any confidence that the accusations against these people are true?

  • NoImmatureAdHom  5 days ago

    > Do you really believe that most of the people being deported or imprisoned by ICE this year are truly supporters of terrorism?

    I don't think that's what's at stake here. I would assume the vast, vast majority of deportations are some version of "You're here illegally because you snuck in / overstayed your visa / lied on some form. Here's a ride back to $COUNTRY"

    I think what is at stake is the small, small % of deportations that are because of particular speech or actions that aren't transparently crime (e.g., stealing a car is transparently crime).

    And to answer your question, I don't know. While it doesn't appear to me that the Americans are reaching the highest possible standards of due process, "no" due process is pretty obviously false. And I don't think it's an issue of the accusations being true or false, either--my impression is the facts aren't in dispute, it's what happens based on the facts that is.

    OK, all of that said: my guess is the people being deported for supporting HAMAS aren't HAMAS supporters in some sort of deep, true, essential way. They're kids or young people who are swept up in a fad.

aziaziazi  5 days ago

How does that relates to the parents post ? For sure you can understand Hamas is a terrorist organisation AND any the same time that some wants to talk about the genocide in Gaza.

Also, using a terrorism judgement as an argument is a bit weak because it’s subjective, and because our western gouvernement do trade times to times with terrorist organisations. Heck my own countries is classified as a terrosist and I’m totally free to come visit the USA (which are themselves a terrorist state).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_terrorism

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism

  • NoImmatureAdHom  5 days ago

    > For sure you can understand Hamas is a terrorist organisation AND any the same time that some wants to talk about the genocide in Gaza.

    Totally. The pro-Palestine protesters at U.S. universities are often overtly pro-HAMAS too (or instead).