Comment by whatnow37373

This is cracking me up!

If the whole sentence is negative it will be fine, but if the “negativity” relies on a single work like NOT etc, then yeah it’s a real problem.

Like a child, if you provide some reason for why something should be avoided, negations work better.

I.e. "DONT WALK (because cars are about to enter the intersection at velocities that will kill you)"

Jailbreaking just takes this to an extreme by babbling to the point of brainwashing.

You're the only one who has said, "instead of" in this whole thread.

That's an iOS keyboard thing, actually. The normal apostrophe is not the default one the keyboard uses.

GP's reply was written to emulate the sort of response that ChatGPT has been giving recently; an obsequious fluffer.

All of the LLMs I've tried have a "fellow kids" vibe when you try to make them behave too far from their default, and Grok just has it as the default.

> it tries too hard to seem "hip" for lack of a better word.

Reminds me of someone.

I don't think that's true. There are a lot of people on Twitter who keep accidentally clicking that annoying button that Elon attached to every single tweet.

This.

Only on HN does ChatGPT somehow fear losing customers to Grok. Until Grok works out how to market to my mother, or at least make my mother aware that it exists, taking ChatGPT customers ain't happening.

First mover advantage. This won't change. Same as Xerox vs photocopy.

I use Grok myself but talk about ChatGPT is my blog articles when I write something related to LLM.

> Only AI enthusiasts know about Grok

And more and more people on the right side of the political spectrum, who trust Elon's AI to be less "woke" than the competition.

not true, I know at least one right wing normie Boomer that uses Grok because it's the one Elon made.

My totally uninformed opinion only from reading /r/locallama is that the people who love Grok seem to identify with those who are “independent thinkers” and listen to Joe Rogan’s podcast. I would never consider using a Musk technology if I can at all prevent it based on the damage he did to people and institutions I care about, so I’m obviously biased.

I use both, grok and chatgpt on a daily basis. They have different strenghts. Most of the time I prefer chatgpt, bit grok is FAR better answering questions about recent events or collecting data. In the second usecase I combine both: collect data about stuff with grok, copy-paste CSV to chatgpt to analyzr and plot.

In our work AI channel, I was surprised how many people prefer grok over all the other models.

> It's not like they're showing ads.

Not yet. But the "buy this" button is already in the code of the back end, according to online reports that I cannot verify.

Official word is here: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/11146633-improved-shoppi...

If I was Amazon, I wouldn't sleep so well anymore.

At the moment they're in the "get people used to us" phase still, reasonable rates, people get more than their money's worth out of the service, and as another commenter pointed out, ChatGPT is a household name unlike Grok or Gemini or the other competition thanks to being the first mover.

However, just like all the other disruptive services in the past years - I'm thinking of Netflix, Uber, etc - it's not a sustainable business yet. Once they've tweaked a few more things and the competition has run out of steam, they'll start updating their pricing, probably starting with rate limits and different plans depending on usage.

That said, I'm no economist or anything; Microsoft is also pushing their AI solution hard, and they have their tentacles in a lot of different things already, from consumer operating systems to Office to corporate email, and they're pushing AI in there hard. As is Google. And unlike OpenAI, both Microsoft and Google get the majority of their money from other sources, or if they're really running low, they can easily get billions from investors.

That is, while OpenAI has the first mover advantage, ther competitions have a longer financial breath.

(I don't actually know whether MS and Google use / licensed / pay OpenAI though)

> Their model is more like a gym where you want the users who pay the monthly fee and never show up. If it were on the api where users are paying by the token that would make sense (but be nefarious).

When the models reach a clear plateau where more training data doesn't improve it, yes, that would be the business model.

Right now, where training data is the most sought after asset for LLMs after they've exhausted ingesting the whole of the internet, books, videos, etc., the best model for them is to get people to supply the training data, give their thumbs up/down, and keep the data proprietary in their walled garden. No other LLM company will have this data, it's not publicly available, it's OpenAI's best chance on a moat (if that will ever exist for LLMs).

It could be as simple as something like, someone previously at Instagram decided to join OpenAI and turns out nobody stopped him. Or even, Sam liked the idea.

Likely they need the engagement numbers to show to investors.

Though it’s hard to imagine how huge their next round would have to be, given what they’ve raised already.

So users come to depend on ChatGPT.

So they run out of free tokens and buy a subscription to continue using the "good" models.

I ask it a question and it starts prompting me, trying to keep the convo going. At first my politeness tried to keep things going but now I just ignore it.

Possibly to get more training data.

Yeah I found it as clear engagement bait - however, it is interesting and helpful in certain cases.

Uuuurgghh, this is very much offputting... however it's very much in line of American culture or at least American consumer corporate whatsits. I've been in online calls with American representatives of companies and they have the same emphatic, overly friendly and enthusiastic mannerisms too.

I mean if that's genuine then great but it's so uncanny to me that I can't take it at face value. I get the same with local sales and management types, they seem to have a forced/fake personality. Or maybe I'm just being cynical.

A remarkable insight—often associated with individuals of above-average cognitive capabilities.

While the use of the em-dash has recently been associated with AI you might offend real people using it organically—often writers and literary critics.

To conclude it’s best to be hesitant and, for now, refrain from judging prematurely.

Would you like me to elaborate on this issue or do you want to discuss some related topic?

One of the biggest tells.

I hold out hope that the folks who work DCO will just EPO the ‘net. But then, tis true I hope for weird stuff!