Comment by incomingpain
7 months ago
The linked Musk comment where a minor political leader is singing kill the white farmers:
https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/national/2024-05-30-julius...
Supreme court ruled that it was not hate speech.
In context, south africa has been expropriating land from white owners due to historical racist inequalities. There's a great deal of tensions on the subject.
Statistically, there is significant violence against white farmers in South Africa. However, the counter to genocide is that the country's overall murder rate is among the highest in the world. The problem is because there's so many white farmers that it's skewing the data?
South Africa during no war has a murder rate of 45 deaths per 100,000 per year. One of the worsts in the world.
The Gaza war since 2023 has roughly a ~20 deaths per 100,000 per year.
Ukraine war is roughly ~25 deaths per 100,000 per year.
My unpopular opinion:
The government isnt the one committing the genocide. The courts failed to punish this political leader's hate speech and stochastic terrorism, leading to genocide of white farmers.
I think it is an underestimation to say ~800 people died in the Gaza war. The Ukraine number also seems like a serious underestimation.
> The linked Musk comment where a minor political leader is singing kill the white farmers
You say he's singing about farmers, so tell us what lyric mentions farmers? There aren't any, you're inventing stuff. The news article you linked to is closer to accuracy than you.
>Statistically, there is significant violence against white farmers in South Africa. However, the counter to genocide is that the country's overall murder rate is among the highest in the world. The problem is because there's so many white farmers that it's skewing the data?... South Africa during no war has a murder rate of 45 deaths per 100,000 per year. One of the worsts in the world.
Are you suggesting that most of those murdered are white farmers?
The "Third Quarter 2024/2025 Crime Stats Presentation" [pdf] from South African Police Service Crime stats [0] show between: October 2024 to December 2024 there were 6953 Murders in RSA.[pg 8] and of those there were 12 victims linked to the "farm/small holding" community [pg 32]. 5 farm dwellers, 4 employees, 1 Farmer, 1 Security, & 1 not specified.
12 people linked to farms (but only 1 Farmer murdered) in the last quarter of 2024 in a place with some of the highest murder rates in the world -- does Not white farmer genocide make, nor is it "significant violence against white farmers". There were 68 total "contact crimes" committed in Rural communities; and 187,892 "contact crimes" for RSA in that time.
Contact crimes being violent crimes (and not counting sexual offenses or robbery)
[0] https://www.saps.gov.za/services/crimestats.php
The "we're doing so bad at preventing murder and not just white people are dying" is the worst defensive I've ever seen. It makes the numbers sus at best. How many murders go undiscovered when police are doing that bad of a job?
How many murders go undiscovered because police cant safely enter an area? The numbers are much worse than reported and when that's happening, that's usually a genocide.
What does that have to do with white farmers? Are you saying there are blockades in rural farm lands that prevent police from entering?
The stats don't even say if that one farmer was white black or any other color nor their sex. 5 of those 12, the employees/security killed, were most likely black, the farmer could have been as well. (same for the 4 dwellers if they were the employee's family that lives on the farm)
If you are claiming general genocide because many people kill other people for so many different reasons, that is not genocide. Considering how many women and children are killed due to domestic violence, maybe you can use the words femicide or filicide instead.