Comment by isaacremuant
8 days ago
No we won't. Just build your web of trust and leave the rest of us anonymous and alone.
You're just doing the bidding of corporations who want to sell ID online systems for a more authoritarian world.
Those systems also use astroturfing. It was not invented with LLMs.
See my other comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44130743#44150878 for how this is "bleak" mostly if you were comfortable with your Overton window and censorship.
> leave the rest of us anonymous and alone
No one is trying to take away your right to host or participate in anonymous discussions.
> Those systems also use astroturfing. It was not invented with LLMs.
No one is claiming that LLMs invented astroturfing, only that they have made it considerably more economical.
> You're just doing the bidding of corporations who want to sell ID online systems for a more authoritarian world.
Sure, man. Funny that I mentioned "web of trust" as a potential solution, a fully decentralised system designed by people unhappy with the centralised nature of PKI. I guess I must be working in deep cover for my corporate overlords, cunningly trying to throw you off the scent like that. But you got me!
If you want to continue drinking from a stream that's been becoming increasingly polluted since November 2022, you're welcome to do so. Many other people don't consider this an appealing tradeoff and social systems used by those people are likely to adjust accordingly.
> Sure, man. Funny that I mentioned "web of trust" as a potential solution, a fully decentralised system designed by people unhappy with the centralised nature of PKI. I guess I must be working in deep cover for my corporate overlords, cunningly trying to throw you off the scent like that. But you got me!
I'm sorry man, I can't trust anything you say unless you post your full name and address. I can also throw some useless strawman quip to distract the conversation.
No one is forcing you to stay up at night or worry about this, so don't.
> If you want to continue drinking from a stream that's been becoming increasingly polluted since November 2022, you're welcome to do so. Many other people don't consider this an appealing tradeoff and social systems used by those people are likely to adjust accordingly.
Lol. The naivety of people like you and throwing these cute dates to start having a semblance of critical reading is hilarious. Not that it helps you since you immediately want authoritarian solutions and any challenge is met with a strawman.
But hey, give us more "sarcasm".
I'll post your comment because it's worth reading in full and going back to your "are you crazy? No one is saying X" fallback.
> I think that, ultimately, systems that humans use to interact on the internet will have to ditch anonymity. If people can't cheaply and reliably distinguish human output from LLM output, and people care about only talking to humans, we will need to establish authenticity via other mechanisms. In practice that means PKI or web of trust (or variants/combinations), plus reputation systems.
> Nobody wants this, because it's a pain, it hurts privacy (or easily can hurt it) and has other social negatives (cliques forming, people being fake to build their reputation, that episode of Black Mirror, etc.). Anonymity is useful like cash is useful. But if someone invents a machine that can print banknotes that fool 80% of people, eventually cash will go out of circulation.
> I think the big question is: How much do most people actually care about distinguishing real and fake comments? It hurts moderators a lot, but most people (myself included) don't see this pain directly and are highly motivated by convenience.
Lol.
I honestly don't know what you think quoting my entire original post achieves, other than making it clear that I did in fact mention "web of trust", thus undermining your claim that I'm a stooge for big tech.
I wouldn't let that bother you, though. Life must be exciting when you know that everyone else is secretly hellbent on authoritarianism.
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