Comment by chrismorgan
8 months ago
“Getting the boot” is rather vague. Is there any more information anywhere, background, &c.?
My general impression (quite possibly incorrect) was that X.Org Server is largely treated as “done”, making only bugfixes and such these days.
From the readme:
> That fork was necessary since toxic elements within Xorg projects, moles from certian big corp are boycotting any substantial work on Xorg, in order to destroy the project, to elimitate competition of their own products. (classic "embrace, extend, extinguish" tactics)
> This is an independent project, not at all affiliated with BigTech or any of their subsidiaries or tax evasion tools, nor any political activists groups, state actors, etc. It's explicitly free of any "DEI" or similar discriminatory policies. Anybody who's treating others nicely is welcomed.
Doesn't "DEI" basically mean treating others nicely?
No and it never has. The default position on the internet, the one technologists working on open source always took, is that only the ideas matter and if your ideas are good you'll be included. DEI became popular because that wasn't good enough for certain groups of people who consistently failed to produce good ideas and wanted to wedge themselves in anyway.
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reading too deeply into it, it's basically an interjection. it doesn't refer to any meaningful facet of objective reality, it only exists according to the socio-political hallucinations of americans. doesn't matter if it's said positively or negatively, it's just a virtue signal long devoid of meaning. a bird's mating dance, if you will, but for burger-eaters.
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Pretty sure it did, unfortunately it got swung to an extreme extent in some circles :(
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No it means treat minorities (gays, women, people of color) nicely and others (straight people, men, white people) badly.
This dude is definitely into some hysterical right wing conspiracies. I remember he got yelled at by Linus Torvalds on the LKML for trying to spread anti-vax bs.
https://lkml.org/lkml/2021/6/10/957
I always find it ironic how people like this non-stop whine about "politics in mah FOSS" or video games or w/e, but will turn around and write a manifesto in the README drenched in right wing politically charged slop.
ultimately I really don't care what they spend their time doing, some people still want X11 and if they can keep it running then good for them. I use Wayland because it looks a lot better and is a lot smoother. Its that simple.
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The DEI in DEI actually means conformity of thought. It's oddly eugenical and does not foster "diverse ideas"
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DEI is another selector added to "meritocracy" vs "nepotism".
You either give the job to the best candidate, your friend, or a minority.
It has nothing to do with "nice". You can be nice, or an ass. DEI doesn't preclude you being either.
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> moles from certian big corp are boycotting any substantial work on Xorg, in order to destroy the project
That's what I've always thought. The "X11 developers" pushing for Wayland weren't original developers so much as RedHat "maintainers," who (understandably) wanted a frontier to explore rather than janitorial work. All I know for certain is that X11 (even as of 15 years ago) mostly worked, while Wayland of 2025 is still full of headaches & breakages.
X did not "just work" for me 10 years ago, and neither is Wayland "still full of headaches and breakages"
I've had no substantial problems because of Wayland in the last, like, 5 years.
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Most of the stuff that's come out of freedesktop.org always seemed to make things less usable. I'm glad to see people are finally giving up on it.
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I'm not going to pretend judging people by their skin color (or any other bogus criteria like those outlined by the hacker ethics) is not discriminatory.
Whatever DEI was meant for, due to its unagreeable practices its unrecoverably burned into the ground.
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I think is good that they don't use DEI. (When one side is DEI and other side is discrimination and racist, both sides are bad.) They do not seem to exclude anyone because of this, and they said they aren't excluding anyone because of this (and hopefully they are not lying). They should include people, and DEI is not a very good way to do it.
I also think is good that they had deliberately being trying to avoid other problems, so that they will not be affiliated with the BigTech and the related stuff.
Hopefully they will actually be able to improve it.
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You missed the part "Anybody who's treating others nicely is welcomed." (conveniently).
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The project readme has some thoughts about why X.Org is treated as done and why the dev forked; I think I get why the OP didn’t link that instead.
https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/tree/xlibre/master
I don't understand why the link is to the commit list for a branch and not to the repo home page, unless OP was intentionally trying to have people avoid reading the README.
The README contains a minor political rant that primarily complains about corporate influence but also takes a shot at DEI. The CoC page was intentionally left up with just the content "404". Reading between the lines, it sounds like toxicity all around.
It's abandonware. None of the grown-ups in the Linux graphics space are interested in maintaining it beyond the minimum necessary. I suppose new features could be added to Xorg, but anyone who actually knows something about the graphics pipeline is 100% committed to Wayland, so it won't be done.
And Enrico's code was apparently so shitty and disruptive he's earned himself a ban from Freedesktop.org. Or is that because he associated himself with Lunduke?
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