Comment by puttycat

1 day ago

You are right, but the companies making these models invest a lot of effort in marketing them as anything but probabilistic, i.e. making people think that these models work discretely like humans.

In that case we'd expect a human with perfect drawing skills and perfect knowledge about bikes and birds to output such a simple drawing correctly 100% of the time.

In any case, even if a model is probabilistic, if it had correctly learned the relevant knowledge you'd expect the output to be perfect because it would serve to lower the model's loss. These outputs clearly indicate flawed knowledge.

> In that case we'd expect a human with perfect drawing skills and perfect knowledge about bikes and birds to output such a simple drawing correctly 100% of the time.

Look upon these works, ye mighty, and despair: https://www.gianlucagimini.it/portfolio-item/velocipedia/

  • You claim those are drawn by people with "perfect knowledge about bikes" and "perfect drawing skills"?

    • More that "these models work … like humans" (discretely or otherwise) does not imply the quotation.

      Most humans do not have perfect drawing skills and perfect knowledge about bikes and birds, they do not output such a simple drawing correctly 100% of the time.

      "Average human" is a much lower bar than most people want to believe, mainly because most of us are average on most skills, and also overestimate our own competence — the modal human has just a handful of things they're good at, and one of those is the language they use, another is their day job.

      Most of us can't draw, and demonstrably can't remember (or figure out from first principles) how a bike works. But this also applies to "smart" subsets of the population: physicists have https://xkcd.com/793/, and there's this famous rocket scientist who weighed in on rescuing kids from a flooded cave, they come up with some nonsense about a submarine.

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> work discretely like humans

What kind of humans are you surrounded by?

Ask any human to write 3 sentences about a specific topic. Then ask them the same exact question next day. They will not write the same 3 sentences.