Comment by olalonde

6 days ago

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Maybe you are completely unaware, but many US states have criminalized abortion. Pregnancies and abortions are detectable from menstrual data.

perhaps it has, but considering what American women in particular are risking if their menstrual data is leaked this doesn't seem like an example of said loss of meaning

  • What specific safety risks could an American woman face if her menstrual data were leaked?

    • If your period stops long enough to suggest a pregnancy, and then resumes without giving birth on record, that's enough evidence that you might have terminated the pregnancy. This can be correlated with travel records to find that you used a clinic out of state, which is a crime in some jurisdictions.

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    • Pregnancy (even without elective abortion!) has a variety of risks of criminal prosecution in the post-Dobbs world, and prosecutors in some states where this is the case have expressed desire to use menstrual data to identify targets for investigation.

      There's also sometimes significant risks of nongovernmental (particularly family and intimate partner) violence associated with situations that can be inferred from that data, which is one reason people often conceal things which might be inferred from it from selected other people.

Safety and privacy are so closely linked for this usage to be feasible, especially with how available and identifiable anonymised data can be.

Can you explain?

  • Historically, "safety" referred to protection from physical harm. It has now expanded into psychological, emotional, economical realms. This had the (very much intended) effect of redefining "unsafe" from imminent and persistent threat to anything that makes me uncomfortable.

    • In America, in many states, you can be imprisoned for having an abortion.

      Sharing your menstrual data and therefore having it available for subpoena is quite literally a physical safety risk.

      If you don't understand, or disagree that the word "safety" is entirely appropriate here, can you talk about why?

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    • Not sure how that's super relevant here? "my data could be used to accuse me of a crime" is a threat of physical harm anyway, unless you define being arrested as safe.

      And I don't really think public opinion has shifted on that part. You could argue about emotional comfort or something, maybe.

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  • When your ideologies don't stand on their own merit, one last resort is to redefine words (and hope nobody notices) in order to force people to believe what you say.

also in the 70s people would not even have "noticed" covid. back then people could not even be bothered to use seatbelts or stop chainsmoking (even in airplanes).

what is considered "acceptable risk" has completely changed in the past few decades.