Comment by noduerme

4 days ago

Just to play devil's advocate here... I'm about as extreme a privacy absolutist as you can find. But given that we're all on camera all the time in public spaces, like it or not, I don't consider tracking on digital billboards to be inherently evil. It could be used for evil (like - an authoritarian government tracking who looks at a billboard for an opposition political leader, for instance). But it could just be innocent data gathering. If you ran a plumbing business and paid $10k for a billboard, wouldn't you want to know if it was worth it or not? It's not as if decades of focus groups and hand-wavey feelings about what is or isn't effective advertising didn't already steer us into a society entirely dominated by big loud ads everywhere.

People who make products and sell services need to advertise. They in turn pay taxes. The many layers of parasitism in the advertising world historically relied on conning these people and taking their money in exchange for an unprovable proposition, namely that if you run this ad we tell you to run, right here, your sales will go up - but we'll never be able to actually tell you for sure by how much, or whether it was a good deal for you. From that perspective, more and better viewership data helps undermine the advertising bullshit machine and close the gap between people who run businesses and the people they're trying to sell their services to.

We're just going deeper and deeper into attention-grabbing displays; we now even have ANIMATED screens next to the ROADS in the Netherlands. Flashing, showing texts like "WATCH OUT! We have a new product!".

I have epilepsy. It's managed, I mean, I'm allowed to drive again. But what about people who don't have it managed (for some no meds will work)? They're just f'd when they walk down the street and Nike NEEDED to switch the screen every 0.2s?

If I can in _any_ way inhibit their ability to grow, I will.

If I need your product, I'll find it. I'm against any and all ads - I know it's unrealistic, but I'll do everything in my power to lower the amount of ads I see or to be a nuisance to them.

Really don't care about morality in this case.

  • I'm right now in Malaysia and my residential building lifts there are TV playing ads and make many tricks to grab attention:

    - sound of phone ringing to keep you out of your zone

    - loud annoying music with annoying lyrics

    - putting cat in advertisement and meowing

  • >we now even have ANIMATED screens next to the ROADS

    Heh, only 30 years behind the US.

    Of course our rate of people dying at younger ages over here seems to be a lot higher too.

> People who make products and sell services need to advertise.

Do they though?

No one is entitled to better data. It should be on the advertisers to figure out more privacy preserving ways of getting feedback.

Ubiquitous technical surveillance is, in economics parlance, a negative externality.