Comment by conartist6
4 days ago
So instead of adding your voice to the world you decided to give away your voice and abandon your humanity.
You obviously don't value your reader if you don't value yourself enough to speak with your own voice.
4 days ago
So instead of adding your voice to the world you decided to give away your voice and abandon your humanity.
You obviously don't value your reader if you don't value yourself enough to speak with your own voice.
Does a camera give away a photographer's "voice" just because he doesn't have to draw his art by hand, but can simply press a button?
Does a sculpture artist who uses aides to carry out his will give away his "voice" just because he didn't do the physical labor himself?
Does a game designer give away his "voice" just because he has a team under him that independently executes on all manner of creative work surrounding the his central thesis and incremental feedback?
Don't be preposterous! My voice is whatever I decide for it to be, how arrogant to decide that for me! If you aren't into it, great: you weren't the intended audience and your critique is irrelevant.
I don't think you get to decide as much as you think you do, and I don't think the examples you provide are accurate enough analogies to offer the moral clarity you think they do.
Fortunately this isn't a moral issue though, just like thinking a piece of art is garbage is not a moral issue. I have the freedom to judge you, and in this case I'm judging because I think the primary legacy of slop machines is are sucking life out of people who put in blood and sweat -- who put their soul and themselves into their art because it is how they define themselves.
So many artists meet that basic bar of struggling with self expression that I see little point in engaging with anyone who can't or won't start with the premise that they have something unique to say
> I don't think you get to decide as much as you think you do
Art is subjective, and I will say one last time: No one should be so arrogant as to assume that they have any business dictating the relationship between an artist and their patrons.
> I'm judging because I think the primary legacy of slop machines is are sucking life out of people who put in blood and sweat
So you admit that you are operating from a position of bias. At least you can recognize that, but it means that there is very little use in attempting to have an earnest, healthy conversation with you on this topic.
> who put their soul and themselves into their art because it is how they define themselves
I also define myself as an artist, and I put my soul into it, but apparently I have to get conartist6's permission before publicly calling myself an artist if I happen to use generative techniques. How tiring.
> I have the freedom to judge you
Yes, you do. Judge away. Meanwhile, I have art to make and share with others who appreciate my creative expression.
The most salient irony of this conversation is that you think you are protecting and appreciating some kind of sacred art, when from my perspective you are simply gatekeeping and seem to have an incomplete, narrow appreciation of what art is.
I appreciate art and expression of all forms, both familiar and strange. I don't base my appreciation of art on how hard the artist worked on a particular piece. I have intricate, original pieces hanging on my walls that I bought for several thousand dollars, right next to two-minute doodles that I bought for five dollars. If you truly appreciate art and human expression, you will reconsider why your argument comes off as judgemental and hateful.
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I mean, I'd throw your "art" in the garbage with all possible haste once I learned that it was actually AI's "art".
You can derive value from it because you know what parts you did, but I can't derive value because I will have to assume you didn't do any art and that any glimmer of humanity I see is just slop.
Reading slop makes me dumber and less creative myself: it takes away my chance to learn how others minds work. It takes away a diversity of real perspectives and styles and feeds me averaged clones of them so that on the whole I gain nothing -- just like training AI on its own output results in model collapse!
It takes my interest in other human beings and exploits that weakness to hack my mind. If I could defend against that hacking I would. Why would I waste my time thinking about something that wasn't even worth taking time of thinking of how to say?