Comment by bogeholm

2 months ago

Security and utility are separate qualities.

You’re correct that inaccessible money are useless, however one could make the case that they’re secure.

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nicce  2 months ago

I think you are only considering the users - for the business provider the availability has larger meaning because the lack of it can bankrupt your business. It is about securing operations.

  • arp242  2 months ago

    If a panic or null pointer deref in some library causes your entire business to go down long enough that you go bankrupt, then you probably deserve to go out of business because your software is junk.

    • nicce  2 months ago

      I believe you know well that bankrupt is the worst case. Many business functions can be so critical that 24h disturbance is enough to cause high financial damages or even loss of life. A bug in the car's brakes that prevents their usage is also denial of service.

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  • em-bee  2 months ago

    not paying rent can get you evicted. and not paying your medical bill can get you denied care. (in china most medical care is not very expensive, but every procedure has to be paid in advance. you probably won't be denied emergency care so your life would not be in immediate danger, but sometimes an optional scan discovers something life threatening that you weren't aware of so not being able to pay for it can put you at risk)

  • leni536  2 months ago

    Virtually all bugs have some cost. Security bugs tend to be more expensive than others, but it doesn't mean that all very expensive bugs are security bugs.

burnt-resistor  2 months ago

Define what you mean by "security".

Control integrity, nonrepudiation, confidentiality, privacy, ...

Also, define what you mean by "utility" because there's inability to convert a Word document, inability to stop a water treatment plant from poisoning people, and ability to stop a fire requiring "utility".

hsbauauvhabzb  2 months ago

Inability for drug dispensers to dispense life saving drugs due to DoS has failed utility and will cost lives, would you describe that as secure?