Comment by nakedneuron
6 months ago
Truth is many people also stop moving (exercising) significantly in their forties (reason being probably sitting lifestyle promotes posture and fascia degradation which makes moving less and less enjoyable).
I'd posit that another significant decline in moving occurs in the sixties when many go in rent.
Not sure if the biological clock is cause of abrupt changes or rather our scheduled lives. So, no significant changes from the sixties on? Then what's the genetic function of those programmations?
People who reach old age (100+) are mostly also comparatively healthy.
Without writing a book about it I'll just say that I think the most important thing is people shouldn't look at this info and conclude that their body's going to fall apart no matter what.
I'm in my mid 40s and in the best shape of my life, lots of energy, aches and pains from my late 30s have all disappeared, to get there it took diet and exercise changes that were surprisingly modest. For me it was mostly weights, a little bit of cardio, and cutting back on my worst episodes of caloric excess.
I have friends who didn't do any diet and exercise interventions, and are starting to look like hell and complain about the "inevitable" consequences of aging.
And then there are those jacked dudes in their 70s who are hitting the gym 5 times a week, I can only aspire to be as healthy as them at their age.
Use it (with proper care and feeding) or lose it.
I also felt this way in my mid-40s. I still feel this way. But then after a lifetime of perfect vision, one day I was reading a book and noticed that everything was a little blurry. Now I need reading glasses. Not a big deal! I’m doing fine! But a gentle reminder that all the diet and CrossFit in the world isn’t going to save you from a (hopefully) gentle and inevitable decay ;)
Mid 20s here. Lived like shit until like 2 years ago. Started working out and eating right. In the best shape of my life.... then got diagnosed with an aortic anuerysm cant win
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My vision had started to decline in my 30’s. Not a ton but needed glasses for distance vision to be crisp. When I hit 60 I started to operate without my glasses more. It forced my eyes to work more. I just had an eye exam and I can legally drive without glasses. My eyesight improved. It’s not crisp at distance but I can grab my glasses when I feel the need ( use when driving at night for extra layer of safety)
As I'm well past my mid-40s, so 100% :)
The best tech tool I've ever bought was a pair of dedicated computer glasses (focal length ~3ft) --for every computer I work at.
Hah gentle, my vision distance also started degrading slowly but I had no issues otherwise. Text etc. was a bit blurrier but I could still read everything fine, except when it was too close to my eyes.
Then one day I pretty much hit a brick wall and went from 0 to 100% eye strain in about 2-3 days. Now I need constant eye drops, a humidifier, breaks every 20 minutes, time spent doing other things etc. to just be able to do what I did before.
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>after a lifetime of perfect vision, one day I was reading a book and noticed that everything was a little blurry
go to an ophthamologist and after testing you'll be told that you still have perfect vision! (the need for reading glasses after a certain age is considered normal, not a defect)
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I mean, of course exercise isn't going to fix your vision. But if your vision is going to degrade, you can still choose if you want to live as a fit and healthy person who needs reading glasses, or as a person who has aches all over, is in bad shape, feels tired and like shit all the time, and on top of all that needs reading glasses.
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Agree. There's lots you can do to slow the affects of aging. Most of us just don't try.
I'm 55 and found - much to my surprise - that 12 months of carefully progressively and intense running training has improved me from a slow plodder (jogging 5km a couple of times a week) to on track for a 3 hour marathon later this year. Along the way, I'm back to the weight I had in my early 20s, but now also am a lot faster and with way more endurance.
Of course, at 55, I now need to be more careful now about not getting injured. Which means being disciplined about stretching, strength training and recovery. Things I never needed to worry about when I was younger.
So absolutely:
> Use it (with proper care and feeding) or lose it.
It's so wild that in your 50s you can be more fit and in better health than you were in your 30s. No one ever told me this. My sedentary family bitched and moaned about how they were getting old and their bodies were falling apart every day. I'm so glad I discovered that exercise works in my early 40s. I hear you about injury though. When I get injured now it takes ages to recover. Something that would have gone away in 2 days in my 20s, can take weeks to heal. We're not immortal, but there's so much we can do.
I got a bad of case of tennis elbow recently from over-exerting during a light set of pushups!
The joint stuff you have to think about, where it was barely a consideration when I was younger.
> those jacked dudes in their 70s
Those dudes are almost certainly on some kind of testosterone. It obviously works for some. Arnold Schwarzenegger, for example, has almost certainly been "supplementing" for close to 60 years now. The trouble is we don't know for sure what these individuals have been doing, nor do we know the effects of such "cocktails" on the population at large.
You are 100% right, I don't see it as a negative though. Almost everyone in their 70's is on some form of medication. I'm mid 40's and have been on testosterone for ~4 years. Best shape of my life both physically and blood work wise. Testosterone (at sane doses), GLP-1s, etc are miracle drugs that dramatically improve ones' quality of life. While you are absolutely correct that "those dudes are almost certainly on some kind of testosterone" I see it as very positive.
My FIL, in his 70's is on a cocktail of pain killers, blood pressure medication and a hundred other things and has a hard time even getting out of a pool. I'll take being an old jacked dude over that any day
>Arnold Schwarzenegger, for example, has almost certainly been "supplementing" for close to 60 years now.
He's admitted it and advised younger bodybuilders not to.
Having access to the best sports medicine doctors in the world means you too can look great at nearly 80.
I'm in my mid-40's and I'm in the best shape of my life. However it's taken a lot of hard work and sacrifice, that I weirdly enjoy:
* Cooking all meals from scratch (I try and reduce UPFs as much as possible).
* No bread or pasta ever. Fresh non-supermarket bread and pasta is probably OK for you...
* Less alcohol (only on special occasions). Modern no-alcohol beer is actually very enjoyable.
* Lift weights 3x a week. I built a home gym in my garage, with a TV mounted on a wall. It's a great time to unwind, watch YouTube and get fit. It's alone time I look forward to.
* Walk every lunchtime for 20 minutes, rather than browsing the Internet
The key thing about exercise, is that if you don't enjoy it then you won't do it. For me, the alone time watching Youtube or listening to a podcast is the pull-factor. For others it'll be a sport playing in a team.
Food is the major factor in your general health, and we really have fallen into a trap in the Western world with our food habits. Fortunately we have a choice in this regard.
I'm sure there's also an important component of luck and general health there.
Indeed, but I think that the point is that you shouldn't give up and let everything go.
Indeed, but nobody can be quite sure that they will win the lottery and therefore can afford to kick back and do it the easy way. Moderate exercise, eating more of the good stuff, and letting go of some unhealthy habits have big impacts on overall well-being that are hard to describe. Simply put: not sick != healthy
A healthy lifestyle improves outcomes pretty much regardless of genetics. Genetics just determines the ceiling.
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If this were true then we'd see that people with active jobs like builders, mechanics, cleaners etc. would have different outcomes. I think many people here who have never done a physical job in their lives would be shocked at how physically demanding these jobs are. Going to the gym a few times a week does not compare to all day, every day on your feet for decades.
Indeed - and I would argue that despite that a lot of comments here and elsewhere anecdotally say that physical exercise helps to prevent signs of aging, some of these people who spend their entire time doing hard physical work do not look younger or healthier. They often look like they've lived pretty hard lives with really battered looking complexions and wrinkles etc - they almost certainly do NOT look "youthful" or "young for their age" - the opposite in fact, at least in my experience.
We in this industry live in quite a bubble in many ways. One of them is we get to chose when we go outside and exercise (mostly), but if you're a builder or a farmer or whatever you are usaully out there doing things, rain or shine.
Adequate rest is quite important to prevent the kind of injuries people in physical jobs get.
Not only that, but in my experience most physical workers drink a lot and eat poorly. Not all, for sure, but it's pretty common at least in Spain. But rest is extremely important.
Regular whole body physical activity (not even gym level hard) is such a gem and a free one.
> people also stop moving (exercising) significantly in their forties
Also likely that people who never experienced the negative outcomes of a sedentary or unhealthy life style start doing so due to the biomolecular changes. Drinking more likely to hurt your liver, soda more likely to cause diabetes, smoking more likely to cause cavities despite having done all that for 20 years without visible problems.
>20 years without visible problems.
Even with the most charitable steelman interpretation of "visible problems", 2 out of 3 things you've listed have strong evidence for being responsible for weight gain, and even smoking has some weaker evidence supporting it.
> Truth is many people also stop moving
The truth is, both things happen. People slow down — not just because they stop moving, but because life changes. They feel more tired, take on more responsibilities, and have less time and energy for themselves. And yes, sometimes the body begins to decline — gradually or even suddenly. It’s normal, and it happens to many.
> reason being probably sitting lifestyle promotes posture and fascia degradation which makes moving less and less enjoyable
how, of all the reasons, is _that_ the cause of reduced physical activity?
What even is fascia degradation?
"in the sixties when many go in rent" autocorrect from 'into retirement'?
Probably german, "Rente" = "retirement"
OP is probably German :)
i knew that day would come :)